Switching from 0w-20 to 0w-30 experience

[Plumb Bob]

Shell is probably gold standard when it comes to engine oils.

How's that? Or, what are those standards that make Shell the golden one?

 

[ltslimjim]

Shell is probably gold standard when it comes to engine oils. For the price and performance it handily beats HPL, Amsoil type boutique brands across several criteria.

Would you care to list the actual criteria you are referencing? And, please no Project Farm “testing” as criteria.

 

[Glenda W.]

Shell is probably gold standard when it comes to engine oils. For the price and performance it handily beats HPL, Amsoil type boutique brands across several criteria.

Please share this test data/criteria.

 

[Plumb Bob]

Please share this test data/criteria.

Don't be so hopeful. He may be legally bound by NDA.

 

[Rust_Belt_Pete]

Camshaft wear is often just caused by poor metallurgy in some engines. No matter what we do with it 5k OCI usually helps on preventing caked up piston rings from degraded base oil or additives package, but rarely help on Camshaft, timing guide, or timing chain wear. Some engines just have poor quality parts. Probably using 0w40 helps, just like the bandaid on GM engines

I mean yes but also besides that I think new camshafts suck.
My old mini cooper camshaft has a decent lobe, it is pretty wide and it spreads the force out. New camshafts? It looks like someone turned a silver coin on its rib and made it egg shaped. You have a whole lot of force on a very small area. But hey it will last the warranty period!

 

[SureshR]

Would you care to list the actual criteria you are referencing? And, please no Project Farm “testing” as criteria.

Lake Speed is better than Project Farmville - at least he tests on a real engine, and doesn't compare apples to oranges or mass market oils to boutique ones . My comment was based on price as well as performance.

All said and done PUP is a very good oil indeed.

 

[rondhol]

For the price, GTL oil performance is hard to beat. The stability and solubility to additives in GTL is already great, unlike PAO that still need Ester. However, PAO is still more stable than GTL.

 

[tired]

Just take a look at all the UOA. For example signature series. Outperforms most off the shelf oils with same viscosity and approvals.

It is just the same within the error bar, how people drive, weather, and samples variant. It is wear number/Sqrt( number of sample-1)

Do you have a link to these UOAs showing viscosity retention with fuel dilution? I'm just curious. I wasn't aware how an oil could stand up to fuel dilution (overcome physics).

 

[Gladiator007]

Just take a look at all the UOA. For example signature series. Outperforms most off the shelf oils with same viscosity and approvals.

Signature Series has ZERO approvals. Sorry I couldn't resist correcting you. But that doesn't make it a lesser oil.

 

[Glenda W.]

Lake Speed is better than Project Farmville - at least he tests on a real engine, and doesn't compare apples to oranges or mass market oils to boutique ones . My comment was based on price as well as performance.

All said and done PUP is a very good oil indeed.

I watched the whole vid. Couldn’t find any data on PUP out performing HPL, Amsoil or any other oils in fact. Did I miss it?

 

[SureshR]

I watched the whole vid. Couldn’t find any data on PUP out performing HPL, Amsoil or any other oils in fact. Did I miss it?

Like I said he doesn’t compare apples and oranges but the performance comes very close at a lower price

 

[Glenda W.]

Like I said he doesn’t compare apples and oranges but the performance comes very close at a lower price

Nothing wrong with PUP. Actual performance data is hard to come by and I’m always looking. Amsoil probably provides the most.

 

[ltslimjim]

Nothing wrong with PUP. Actual performance data is hard to come by and I’m always looking. Amsoil probably provides the most.

And given oil is relatively cheap, if I'm extending the intervals, give me Signature Series.

 

[SureshR]

And given oil is relatively cheap, if I'm extending the intervals, give me Signature Series.

The signature series spec I’m seeing at least in India would work for older VW but not the newer ones with emission controls. A5B5 or ilsac gf5 based. Else it is a fantastic oil.

And then again still limited by the life of the oil filter - which a standard paper cartridge just doesn’t have enough of. Maybe just change the filter and top up the oil?

 

[OVERKILL]

Like I said he doesn’t compare apples and oranges but the performance comes very close at a lower price

Very close by what metric? You made a rather bold statement:

it handily beats HPL, Amsoil type boutique brands across several criteria.

But so far, it seems the only metric that you can in any way substantiate is price, and that's not a "performance" metric.

BTW, much of Lake's testing is done at HPL's facility, I'd take that into consideration when contemplating putting words in his mouth.

 

[OVERKILL]

For the price, GTL oil performance is hard to beat. The stability and solubility to additives in GTL is already great, unlike PAO that still need Ester. However, PAO is still more stable than GTL.

GTL also has poor solubility, albeit it's a bit better than PAO, but that's really not saying much, that's why carrier oils are used. PAO is blended with AN and/or Ester primarily to offset its seal shrink tendency, if it was just for solubility, a lower group base like Group I/II would be used as a carrier. Remember, GTL is ultimately just a Group III base (hydrocracked), but it benefits from having less wax in it than competing, more conventional Group III offerings, improving its cold temp performance, and it also has lower Noack. Basically, it offers closer-to-PAO performance without the price tag, and without the seal shrink issue, nobody is using it because of its solvency.

 

[Gladiator007]

The signature series spec I’m seeing at least in India would work for older VW but not the newer ones with emission controls. A5B5 or ilsac gf5 based. Else it is a fantastic oil.

And then again still limited by the life of the oil filter - which a standard paper cartridge just doesn’t have enough of. Maybe just change the filter and top up the oil?

Is it called Shell Ultra Helix in India?

 

[SureshR]

Is it called Shell Ultra Helix in India?

Yes indeed

 

[SureshR]

Very close by what metric? You made a rather bold statement:



But so far, it seems the only metric that you can in any way substantiate is price, and that's not a "performance" metric.

BTW, much of Lake's testing is done at HPL's facility, I'd take that into consideration when contemplating putting words in his mouth.

He has done comparisons against for example Mobil1. I know he tests at HPL’s facility. Call it “if you normalise for the price it punches far above its weight”. In any case a lot of the extended drain performance of say Amsoil also depends on your using Amsoil’s own brand filters rather than the OEM ones, Purolator, Fram or whatever.

 

[OVERKILL]

He has done comparisons against for example Mobil1.

I've not seen any comprehensive series of tests that I would consider a valid comparison against other brands, but tests of that nature aren't going to make good Youtube content.

I know he tests at HPL’s facility.

And yet that didn't stop you from trying to use his work to justify this statement:

it handily beats HPL, Amsoil type boutique brands across several criteria.

Interesting.

Call it “if you normalise for the price it punches far above its weight”.

In what sense? You keep making these vague statements about performance, but have yet to substantiate any of them. This is starting to sound like an infomercial: long on claims, short on data.

Pennzoil is good oil, similar in performance to other oils in the same price bracket carrying the same approvals. About the only ILSAC-compliant oil that has changed the timbre of the conversation has been Valvoline's R&P, due to its unique cleaning ability.

In any case a lot of the extended drain performance of say Amsoil also depends on your using Amsoil’s own brand filters rather than the OEM ones, Purolator, Fram or whatever.

There are several extended drain filter offerings on the market, AMSOIL of course wants you to use theirs, but they are the same filter as the FRAM Endurance now. And yes, extended drains require that not only is the lubricant up to the task, but that the operating conditions are appropriate and that the filter is also able to "go the distance".