SS and Medicare in big Trouble!

[ryansride2017]

Originally Posted By: JHZR2
keep those indians, chinese and mexicans flowing in so that they can prop up SS and medicare... right?!?


That's why there will never be serious immigration enforcement. The government knows it.

 

[Tempest]

Originally Posted By: ryansride2017
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
keep those indians, chinese and mexicans flowing in so that they can prop up SS and medicare... right?!?


That's why there will never be serious immigration enforcement. The government knows it.

They are stuck in a catch 22. They want more payers, but the more people they have in the country, the more people they will have on the doles soaking up benefits.

They will just print money to "solve" the problem anyway.

 

[Gary Allan]

Alternatives, given the Catch 22'ishness of it all?

It's The Glass House no matter where you turn.

 

[Tempest]

Alternative is to end the programs.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Alternative is to end the programs.


..and what are your projected/predicted outcomes? Describe them to us (me).

 

[Tempest]

People having to take care of themselves. The human race has survived pretty well long before these programs were put in place.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
People having to take care of themselves. The human race has survived pretty well long before these programs were put in place.


Objection, your honor! Non responsive to the question!!

 

[Tempest]

Gary, I have no idea what you are after here.

If people don't plan for their future and take care of themselves, bad things will happen to them. I see no reason why people that have taken care of themselves should be forced to pay for those that have not.

And please answer how people got along without these programs for the thousands of years before they were put in place.

 

[IndyIan]

Back to the stone age eh? Really your government free utopia sounds like Somalia today, no taxes, no government progams to help people, no police...
I guess its fine if you've got your own personal army, but bullets and guns are cheap. A group of 10 guys with AKs might decide they want your wifes armored car one day, then she's dead...

I don't think its just a coincidence that there's no successful country on earth that doesn't have a reasonably strong government. I can't think of one anyways. If you have too many people with nothing to lose, then they have no reason not to take things from those that do.
Ian

 

[Gary Allan]

Here's what you ignore. Plenty of people who DID plan are also going to fail to maintain themselves.

You're ignoring that the floor has been pulled out from under everyone ..and some may have managed to stay on their feet.

Essentially it's fully aware of the shakedown that everyone has endured....allowed others to profit from it or come out better on ..and just ignoring that it was the physics of the machinery that no one had an option of not participating in ...that makes them unable to take care of themselves now or in the future.

It's saying "too bad" after you've already robbed them blind. After tons of wealth has been methodically wrung out of the population/society NOW it's a "stand on your own two feet" proposition. NOW not when there was plenty of bounty to sequester and secure. Any and all attempts to establish a secure future have been neutralized.

I have very little debt. My "wealth" is contained in my home. Now others probably spent their equity on debt consolidation or whatnot ..but not me.

So, what happens, a scam is constructed that takes that worth too.

Am I some idiot? Am I a loser? No. I someone, who with no "unwise" move of my own, just got robbed. And someone profited in the fleecing.

NOW you want me to further reward the thieves by liberating them from the consequences of their behaviors.

 

[Tempest]

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Back to the stone age eh? Really your government free utopia sounds like Somalia today, no taxes, no government progams to help people, no police...
I guess its fine if you've got your own personal army, but bullets and guns are cheap. A group of 10 guys with AKs might decide they want your wifes armored car one day, then she's dead...

That is one HECK of a leap. No one that I recall, including myself, has ever said anything of the sort.

 

[Tempest]

OK Gary, who is doing the paying and bailing out in your scenario?

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
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Back to the stone age eh? Really your government free utopia sounds like Somalia today, no taxes, no government progams to help people, no police...
I guess its fine if you've got your own personal army, but bullets and guns are cheap. A group of 10 guys with AKs might decide they want your wifes armored car one day, then she's dead...

That is one HECK of a leap. No one that I recall, including myself, has ever said anything of the sort.


As far back as I can recall, you've never describe what life would be like in Tempestdystopia. You cite noble platitudes and concepts ..but outside of you wanting the post as the Sheriff of Rottingham ..I can't imagine what you see that looks "better" on some national benefit view.

Kicking people to the curb seems to be your desired distraction of choice.

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
OK Gary, who is doing the paying and bailing out in your scenario?


What you appear to be suggesting is that ..in any group .. a few participated in at risk behaviors ..and damaged something. Now you want to leave those people ..with all of their joy in the vandalism ..and leave those damaged with the bill for not assassinating them out of (not only) self interest, but true self preservation.

 

[Tempest]

Who is going to pay?

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
If people don't plan for their future and take care of themselves, bad things will happen to them. I see no reason why people that have taken care of themselves should be forced to pay for those that have not.


Do you have health insurance? and why? You are just throwing money away because in the long run insurance companies, just like Casino, always win.

Why are you subsidizing others' medical bill by buying insurance?

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And please answer how people got along without these programs for the thousands of years before they were put in place.


They die at an earlier age, at a higher percentage.

Like I say before, if you kill your self at the age of 50, you get to have tremendous savings for your kids. If you kill your kids instead of sending them to college, you also get a tremendous saving.

Originally Posted By: Tempest
My main contribution is to have a job and pay my own way. That is the best contribution anyone can make.


Are you willing to kill yourself, when you are no longer suitable for employment, so that you are no longer a burden to the society?

 

[Gary Allan]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Who is going to pay?


Everyone except those who you feel should be exempt.


Who do you think should not pay?

I imagine that it will be those who can pay the most and have no need for the rabble.

 

[Tempest]

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Do you have health insurance? and why? You are just throwing money away because in the long run insurance companies, just like Casino, always win.

Why are you subsidizing others' medical bill by buying insurance?

Because I choose to. I am also forced to pay auto insurance which does the same thing.
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Are you willing to kill yourself, when you are no longer suitable for employment, so that you are no longer a burden to the society?

That is exactly the "health" plan the government has in mind.

 

[PandaBear]

Originally Posted By: Tempest
Because I choose to. I am also forced to pay auto insurance which does the same thing.


Oh boy, so when you are getting an advantage over the rest of the insured in your group, you choose to. When you are getting a disadvantage over the rest of the insured in your group, you are forced to.

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That is exactly the "health" plan the government has in mind.


And is also the exact same plan your private insurance have in mind when you are too expensive to cure. They will do everything to deny your claim.

 

[Tempest]

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Oh boy, so when you are getting an advantage over the rest of the insured in your group, you choose to. When you are getting a disadvantage over the rest of the insured in your group, you are forced to.

What "group" are you talking about?