Should I go K&N?

[garageman402]

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Stay with paper. But look around--some paper filters are better than others. I like the Pureones with the blue micronic paper and they are also lightly oiled.

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The Pureones sounded good, but I don't know who carries them. I went to the website, but no info on buying one, kinda weird. You'd think they would want you to know their retail outlets? Maybe my Mac doesn't read their pages correctly?

Lakeside is in SoCal, right? Do you know of any places up here (SF Bay) that might carry them?

Thanks,
-Bob

 

[garageman402]

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Why would you choose not to use a nano-fiber technology filter developed by Donaldson based on tests of an oiled foam air filter?

The Eaa filter is completely different technology and is likely to be the best air filter available.

Ed

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You're right, I had the wrong filter, the Eaa seems very promising, as I stated earlier. Guess I can't edit that post, can I? If I could, I'd remove the Amsoil reference and insert K&N, my apologies to Amsoil......

-Bob

 

[Lonnie]

Paper. How's it going Critic. Seriously, stick with paper, keep it simple. Oh, by the way, my pick is paper. If you not going off road in dusty conditions or rainy weather, or driving around with the engine wound off the end paper will do just fine. There are some a/f studies floating around and I know you'll have fun chasing them down. Let us know what you find.

 

[garageman402]

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Vehicle is a 92 Toyota Previa. Current OE filter has about 20k miles on it. With the van already being 14 years old, I doubt we'll be keeping for another decade or two. Mileage is at 65k miles.

Should I drop a K&N filter in it? Or stick with paper? Fram wants almost $20 for a paper one, K&N is only $33 shipped.

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I looked at rockauto (dot) c0m, and found the AC Delco for $17.76. The Fram Air Hog is $20.99, regular Fram $15.87. Try your friendly neighborhood Toyota dealer, or a Toyota parts supplier, usually OEM is best.

-Bob

 

[ITSMR2U]

The K & N can filter out gravel and small birds and that's about it. Use paper.

 

[Doc8404]

I will be changing the oil on both cars this weekend...I will also pull the intake tubes off and check the TB/intake to see if my K&N (installed as received, not oiled by me) is contributing to buildup...
last time i checked, both cars had buildup...but i can't say if it was from before or after i installed the K&N's.

 

[harry j]

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You're right, harry, it wasn't the new Amsoil filter, he tested the old wash-and-oil filter. After I posted that, I went to the Amsoil site, and saw the new filter, but when I entered my car info, they give a WIX filter. Maybe they will expand their fitments, it looks as though they use the same nanofiber technology as used in their oil filters, very promising......

In any case, the K&N is going out, and an AC Delco is going in......

Bob

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Good idea Bob, I'm sure your engine will get a lot more protection from the AC Delco. Too bad about the availability of the Eaa filter, just stay tuned, Amsoil is due to announce more filters in a while. They are definately the way to go. They don't have one for my Civic either, so we're in the same boat. What did you say your vehicle is?

Harry

 

[garageman402]

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Good idea Bob, I'm sure your engine will get a lot more protection from the AC Delco. Too bad about the availability of the Eaa filter, just stay tuned, Amsoil is due to announce more filters in a while. They are definately the way to go. They don't have one for my Civic either, so we're in the same boat. What did you say your vehicle is?

Harry

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I have a 91 Camaro 3.1 V6 MT, & a 92 Civic LX AT D15B7

The Delco number for the Camaro is A925C .

The Civic has a fairly new Honda AF in it.

-Bob

 

[harry j]

Bob,
Try the Wix 46026 in your Civic. I have tried all sorts of air filters over the years in my '93 Civic and I have determined that the Wix is superior to all others, except the Eaa if they ever see fit to produce one for us. In general, stay away from K&N type of filters, they may give you more air flow at the expense of greater ingestion of crud. How many miles do you have on your cars?

Harry

 

[garageman402]

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Bob,
Try the Wix 46026 in your Civic. I have tried all sorts of air filters over the years in my '93 Civic and I have determined that the Wix is superior to all others, except the Eaa if they ever see fit to produce one for us. In general, stay away from K&N type of filters, they may give you more air flow at the expense of greater ingestion of crud. How many miles do you have on your cars?

Harry

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Harry,
Have you tried an OEM Honda filter for your Civic? Someone on here posted that they have a blue coating on the outside, would seem like finer filtration to me. I haven't opened the cover yet on my Civic. I just got it about 6 Months ago with 205,000 miles on it (just getting broken in LOL).

My son-in-law is a Honda tech, and he swears up and down that you can't beat the OEM stuff, especially Honda. He says they engineer the filters especially for the engine that it goes on. But he says that about all OEM products, too. He says time and time again, someone comes in with the car not running right, or tapping, and they say "man, I just tuned it up". He looks inside, removes the Bosch wires and plugs, Fram filters, replaces it all with Honda Genuine, and they go out running great, and no noise.

He tells me my car will start making noise in the valve train, now that I am using Redline oil and a K&N oil filter. The only reason I tried others, is the OEM Filtech oil filter would let oil drainback. I took it off after it sat for an hour, and it was empty. I didn't know at the time about Amsoil, so I got some K&Ns from Summit or Jeg's (I forget where now). Oops, I'm

now, aren't I?

 

[harry j]

Bob,
The present Honda filter is white as far as I know. The Wix is green. I didn't like the Honda air filter (the old ones were good), it fit well but the media looked suspect. The Wix has a good fit as well but the media is thicker and keeps the intake track very clean. Have you ever tried the 0W-30 Amsoil? That and the Eao20 filter is tops. I felt the difference as soon as I changed to it and it just got better for about 5 changes where it reached some kind of plateau. I changed to that oil at 118,000 miles and now have over 208,000 miles. The engine runs great! Your brother in law is right about most Honda parts, but definately not about the oil and filters.

 

[garageman402]

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Bob,
The present Honda filter is white as far as I know. The Wix is green. I didn't like the Honda air filter (the old ones were good), it fit well but the media looked suspect. The Wix has a good fit as well but the media is thicker and keeps the intake track very clean. Have you ever tried the 0W-30 Amsoil? That and the Eao20 filter is tops. I felt the difference as soon as I changed to it and it just got better for about 5 changes where it reached some kind of plateau. I changed to that oil at 118,000 miles and now have over 208,000 miles. The engine runs great! Your brother in law is right about most Honda parts, but definately not about the oil and filters.

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Harry,

Yes, I was wondering about the new 0w-30. I just discovered Amsoil from this site. There is some guy on the internet selling "lifetime" oil, I thought it was Amsoil, but he goes on, and on. Think he touts the TP by-pass filters, too.

I bought 4 gallons of Redline 5w-30 from Jeg's and 6 K&N oil filters from Summit. Each place has no shipping, but charge a 10.95 service charge (Summit used to be 9.95) If you buy in quantity, the price-per-unit goes down. See my thread:

http://theoildrop.server101.com/forums/s...r8cngnpbt5vd5b4

Now, back to air filters: maybe the newer honda fitments are blue coated, someone in this topic mentioned the blue coating, and wondered if he should scrape it off....... Said it was white on the engine side, but had a blue coating on the outside.

Thanks for the advice on WIX, they are always the best for the money, I started using WIX when I was weaned off of Fram.

BTW the Camaro has 177,000 miles

Bob

 

[harry j]

Bob,
Redline oil is very good, I don't think you'll notice much difference from the Amsoil 0w-30. Of course, if it's cold outside, you will see an improvement. Use what you have until it's gone and then for comparison purposes, try a sump or two of the 0W-30 and an Eao filter to see what's what. I am going to look into the Honda filter, perhaps they are much improved over past iterations. Unless an Eaa is made (or equivalent), the specs on this nanofiber filter arejust too good to pass up.

Harry

 

[garageman402]

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Bob,
Redline oil is very good, I don't think you'll notice much difference from the Amsoil 0w-30. Of course, if it's cold outside, you will see an improvement. Use what you have until it's gone and then for comparison purposes, try a sump or two of the 0W-30 and an Eao filter to see what's what. I am going to look into the Honda filter, perhaps they are much improved over past iterations. Unless an Eaa is made (or equivalent), the specs on this nanofiber filter arejust too good to pass up.

Harry

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Harry,

I may notice a difference between the 5w-30 Redline, and a 0w-30 Amsoil. In the Bay Area, we rarely see temps in the 20 degree range, and then it would only be in the morning in winter. But still the oil needs to flow at start-up, preferably without by-passing the filter.

Bob

 

[harry j]

Bob,
The beauty of the 0W-30/ Eao combo is that the oil flows extremly well and the filter offers little resistance to that flow. It is a synergistic relationship, ideal for cold weather starts or any other climate for that matter.

Harry

 

[ThirdeYe]

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Bob,
Try the Wix 46026 in your Civic. I have tried all sorts of air filters over the years in my '93 Civic and I have determined that the Wix is superior to all others, except the Eaa if they ever see fit to produce one for us. In general, stay away from K&N type of filters, they may give you more air flow at the expense of greater ingestion of crud. How many miles do you have on your cars?

Harry

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Harry,
Have you tried an OEM Honda filter for your Civic? Someone on here posted that they have a blue coating on the outside, would seem like finer filtration to me. I haven't opened the cover yet on my Civic. I just got it about 6 Months ago with 205,000 miles on it (just getting broken in LOL).

My son-in-law is a Honda tech, and he swears up and down that you can't beat the OEM stuff, especially Honda. He says they engineer the filters especially for the engine that it goes on. But he says that about all OEM products, too. He says time and time again, someone comes in with the car not running right, or tapping, and they say "man, I just tuned it up". He looks inside, removes the Bosch wires and plugs, Fram filters, replaces it all with Honda Genuine, and they go out running great, and no noise.

He tells me my car will start making noise in the valve train, now that I am using Redline oil and a K&N oil filter. The only reason I tried others, is the OEM Filtech oil filter would let oil drainback. I took it off after it sat for an hour, and it was empty. I didn't know at the time about Amsoil, so I got some K&Ns from Summit or Jeg's (I forget where now). Oops, I'm

now, aren't I?

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You do know that the Honda OEM oil filters are now Fram right? From what i've heard, they're horrible.

 

[harry j]

You know, come to think of it, I'll bet your right ThirdeYe, The filters used to be green and the media was thick and plush. I purchased a new one from the dealer one day and was dissapointed to find a lower quality looking filter. They didn't have a problem taking it back.

 

[ThirdeYe]

Indeed. The newest ones they use (the smaller blue ones) will say what company made them. I think as of a few years ago they switched to Fram, which is why i'm not going to use those anymore. Before that, they used a better filter.

 

[garageman402]

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Indeed. The newest ones they use (the smaller blue ones) will say what company made them. I think as of a few years ago they switched to Fram, which is why i'm not going to use those anymore. Before that, they used a better filter.

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Are both of you talking about the same filters? I think ThirdeYe is talking about oil filters, and harry is talking about air filters.......

ThirdeYe, I think Honda uses Filtech, and Fram, at least the U.S. manufactured filters are. I have read the filters made for JDM are far better than the ones we get here....

Bob

 

[Jet]

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I've got 212k+ miles on my Mazda, I've run a cold air intake with a K&N knockoff since 82k miles. The few UOAs I've done showed low Si. MPG/HP difference is likely nil, but for convenience, a K&N can be great.

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Ding, Ding, Ding. We have a winner.

Someone with what has to be considered longevity as far as a TEST. I have more miles total than this guy on multiple vehicles with K & N filters. They may help economy and power but they definetly save you money.

Those people seeing buildup behind the filter is due to the oil, yes some will get by it. Then the dust sticks to it.
Over oiling is another issue totally. Dust gets by the paper job as well you just don't see it because there is no oil for it to stick to.

Obviously both he and I have done long term tests and found no adverse affects that some nut jobs on here keep claiming.