Researching compact cars for my wife. Opinions wanted.

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Originally posted by TheTanSedan:


I'd look into a 2003 FORD Crown Victoria LX (Watts-link rear, rack & pinion steering) for long-term reliability and good highway mileage. (Again, run the number to see what the percentage increase in fuel consumption past X mpg.) There is a very good reason that fleets much prefer this car over it's FWD GM and Chrysler competition, and its' long-term maintenance cost. (www.crownvic.net)

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I can't believe anyone in the know would even write this
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A friend was of the same opinion (he's also 64 years old) until I talked him into an Acura 3.2TL about 2 years ago. He says it's put the fun back in driving and costs less than half what his Crown Vic cost to operate. In His words "I'll never drive that American S*&% again!"
 
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Yeh, the Corolla S is nice. We drove one of those when we drove the Matrix. In fact, we were really going there to drive the Corolla, but saw the Matrixes (Matrices? :-) ) next to it and drove one of those as well.

After comparing the two, my wife actually preferred the styling of the matrix. I would like to have a trunk, but the Matrix *was* a cute car. Did I just say "cute"? She's rubbing off on me.

We're still a few weeks out from making a decision. I'm IT guy with another round of layoffs coming up in a few weeks (about the 6th or 7th in the last few years), so I'm going to wait and see if I'm in or out before committing to something.

David


Yeah, I looked long and hard at the Matrix when I bought. It's the same chassis as the Corolla. However, I'd just got rid of a VW Beetle (shudder !) and the Matrix looked too much like another fad car, so I opted for the more conventional Corolla.
 
My wife was in need of a new car at the beginning of the year and we narrowed it down to the Corolla and Civic.

After a TON of research on the net about both, test drives, and dealing with salesmen, she picked the Corolla. We felt as far as reliability, it was a toss up. What sold her on the Corolla LE was that it had a peppier engine (130hp vs the 115hp Civic) and the drivetrain warranty was better (5yr/60K vs. 3 yr/36K with the Civic). We've not had a problem with it & it gets mid-upper 30's on the highway with the 4spd automatic.
 
I had the same turmoil last year and went with the Civic. Honda is super reliable, gets good mileage but you know all of that.

Right now is a good time to buy a Honda because they are clearing out the '04s starting this month and I think that they are offering low rate financing if that's how you want to go.

The Honda site lists all their current promotions.
 
I bought a 2003 Civic EX sedan last April and 20,000 miles later I am very happy with my purchase. It's a very solid car, easy on gas, easy to maintain and it just drives and handles very nicely.
 
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I really like my Mazda 3 GT Sport. You can get hatchback or sedan, sporty/loaded or basic, and 2.0L 148hp or 2.3L 160hp engines. The five speed is very slick.
The latest generation of Corollas and Civics just didn't compare with the 3 in terms of handling, performance, and style when I was looking at cars.


I like the Mazda3 also. It was a real tough decision between buying the 3 or the 6. I ended up buying the 6 only because I was getting a bit more car for the money (rebates vs. no rebate). I drove the Mazda3s hatchback and boy was it a ton of fun...especially with the 5-speed.

I'm getting 28 mpg in mixed 50/50 city/highway driving in my Mazda6i (2.3ltr) and I imagine the 3 would do slightly better given that it weighs a bit less.
 
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Originally posted by rpn453:
I really like my Mazda 3 GT Sport. You can get hatchback or sedan, sporty/loaded or basic, and 2.0L 148hp or 2.3L 160hp engines. The five speed is very slick.
The latest generation of Corollas and Civics just didn't compare with the 3 in terms of handling, performance, and style when I was looking at cars.


I like the Mazda3 also. It was a real tough decision between buying the 3 or the 6. I ended up buying the 6 only because I was getting a bit more car for the money (rebates vs. no rebate). I drove the Mazda3s hatchback and boy was it a ton of fun...especially with the 5-speed.

I'm getting 28 mpg in mixed 50/50 city/highway driving in my Mazda6i (2.3ltr) and I imagine the 3 would do slightly better given that it weighs a bit less.


Yeah, I looked long and hard at the 6, but the mechanics that work there told me that they are having a lot of reliability problems now that Ford is a major force in their lives. They have always had weak transmissions, but now this has spread to other areas.
 
My wife drives a 2003 Hyundai Elantra, black...has 20k miles now, and so far it's been a great car, very good gas mileage, and pretty fast, too: In tests(I think it was a motor trend test), the 2003 Elantra beat both Corolla and Civic in power AND acceleration (the engine has about 140 HP), the 2004 Elantras have VVT even.

The only option we got in my wife's car was the Auto transmission; All else was standard: power windows/locks/mirrors; and those mirrors are HEATED, and it's standard: very unusual in this class, imo.

The car looks better than most others in the class, and the interior materials are very good, and has a very rich look/feel to them: tightly assembled, too: no rattles/noises; the car is very quiet while driving, too. The Elantra GT version has a better suspension package, which should make it handle better, although the GLS is fine in that dept., too. Very comfortable seats: we moved to NC 3 days ago, and by the time the moving was over, my wife drove the Elantra 1300 miles within 3 days; the seats are great, the fronts have manual lumbar-support. Average hwy mileage was about 37 MPG.
We were very careful about Hyundai when we were researching for cars, but after reading a lot of reviews, we decided on the Elantra, and I think we made a good choice.

and of course: 10 year power train warranty and 5 year bumper to bumper (the dealer made it also 10 yrs when we bought the car!) the only time it was used was when the cover of the visor mirror came loose: was replaced at no charge and so far the dealer service has been excellent.

..something to consider, IMO.

[ July 29, 2004, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: 97tbird ]
 
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is that true?...the car itself weighs about 2,300 lbs, I think.

http://www.hyundainews.com/presskit2004/elantraSpecs.html


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thanka for the link, Jelly...it really is true then
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and i just thought of the fact that my wife's Elantra also had side air bags standard; another thing that most japanese compacts don't offer as standard.
 
Of all the cars I've driven only two stand out for quality of build.
1) Toyota MAtrix
2) Mazda 3

Right now I'm leaning towards a Mazda 3 myself, as they are made in Japan and shipped to NA.
The Mazda 3 GT (hatch) was simply a blast to drive!!
 
Personally I would go for a base Toyota Camry or Honda Accord LX. They are slightly more expensive than the 17k top end range you have but are superior cars to Civic/Corolla. The comfort and build is much better in my opinion if you keep cars long term. I regretted in my last Civic getting that as the salesman were right back in 1995. Civic's are good for about 150k but then degrade in comfort, rattles, etc after that while Accord's are still decent at 250k and just a better built car. I parted at 210k with my Civic mostly due to the comfort level was poor and I never loved the car since the day I bought it except for reliability.
 
I got an 03 Civic EX last fall for $16.5k (AAA discount, which equates to fleet cost). No haggling. Just call the fleet manager at your local dealer and ask them if they offer AAA discounts. Of course, you need to be a member of AAA...If I was a big haggler (which I'm not) I might've been able to get it for even less. They gave me 2% financing because they were clearing the '03s out (they offered this without me having to ask/barter). I'm about 10,500 miles into my car and so far have been very happy with it. Comfy, good gas mileage (36MPG average w/90% highway driving) and reliable (so far). Just rotated the tires and they don't look worn at all. They should probably last at least 50k miles.

A no-frills Accord DX or LX will also fit your price point. It's roomier and more comfortable than the Civic (I also have an Accord LX so I speak from experience) and is noticeably more powerful while still getting 30-33 MPG on the highway (its city MPG is terrible, though--I see 20-22 in mostly city driving).
 
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thanka for the link, Jelly...it really is true then
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and i just thought of the fact that my wife's Elantra also had side air bags standard; another thing that most japanese compacts don't offer as standard. [/QB]

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Be sure to check your wife's Owner's Manual - there have been reports that the limits are 1,200 lbs w/o electric brakes, 1,800 lbs with them, rather than 3,000
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I recommend the Accord LX 4cyl (gotta have AC in TX) or equivalent Toyota Camry. Might be a bit more than you want to spend, but they'll be more comfortable driving long distances, roomier, and near the min desired 3300 lb weight for safety reasons. (See the in-depth NTHSA study).

They'll also hold their resale value better than most if you decide to trade it for something else in a few years, although, if you don't, they both should easily go 100K without a major repair with just simple maintenance.
 
You can get an 03 or 04 Camry with 4 cylinder brand new for $17,000! I have one and that is what I paid before financeing. It gets 30-34 MPG with me hot roding it and running the A/C 50% of the time. It holds 3 car seats comfortably and is ultra reliable. A Camry has about as much usable space inside and in the trunk as most domestic midsize and full size cars. The trunk will actualy hold more then my Buick Lasber plus the rear seats fold down to cary lumber, ski's etc... The rear occupants do not have as much leg roomin it as you would in a fullsize like the Lasber but the front occupants end up with more space and easier entry and exit.

For $13,000-$17,000 you can also get a Carolla. Toyota's tend to be ultra reliable and they have the highest corperate fuel economy of any company. I prefer to shop online for the best price I can get on a product then I go their in person and ask for the internet sales person.

While not even close in terms of reliability GM started a new round of incentives the last Friday. Some cars have up to a $5000 worth of incentives on them right now. Gm has a huge surplas of cars right now. If they do not unload them soon they will have to shut down some plants for a few weeks. If you go GM only buy products with the 3.8 V6. I belive you should be able to get an Impala with the 3.8 for $17,000 right now.
 
Last January I was facing a transfer to an office that would yield a 30k annual commute. I needed a new fuel efficient ride to take me to retirement. Seven years but who's counting.

Edmonds.com with their "True Cost of Ownership" was my guide. Finalist were Civic, Corolla and Golf/Jetta TDI.

Check out the "True cost of Ownership".

Good Hunting
 
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