Researching compact cars for my wife. Opinions wanted.

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Originally posted by timzak:
Of course, you need to be a member of AAA...

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Been years since I let those enemies of the auto enthusiasts get any of my money. They are all for Ralph Nader, the 55 MPH limit, speed traps, against radar detectors, auto racing, CAFE, etc.

With credit cards, Mapquest, and internet searches less need for them than ever.
 
05 Altima, great options with no extra cost in comparison to competition, 41 miles per gallon on Canadian gallon, subtract 20% for American MPG which is 33 mpg. This car has 175 horsepower, reliable, sharp, largest cargo, headroom, trunk space. I have driven Japanese cars for 27 years, I choose Nissan based on reliability and value for price particularly in options given. We found here in Canada a $7,000.00 saving from Camry and Accord on same options, infact, the Altima was only a few thousand more than a Civic or Corolla, lot more car for few thousand more.
Our Altima is a 03 with 16K now on it, my wife loves it, she drives on highway daily with it on our Trans Canada Highway, the 175 horsepower in this 4 cylinder 2.5 litre engine gives her safe passing power and accelleration to merge safely onto highway. Underpowered vehicles are unsafe in my opinion in today's driving habits of most motorist, power is survival in being safe out there.
Cyprs
 
Sorry but I gotta say something about the Altimas. You will never get 30 mpg in one. In fact, you will consider yourself lucky if you exceed 25 mpg. 22-24 mpg is on average what a Nissan Altima driver gets mileage wise.
 
Hmmm...the consensus among my faithful Japanese carowners is that a Nissans don't approach the quality of a Honda or Toyota. Maybe things have changed? Also, when I was shopping for my last vehicle, the Altimas were not any less expensive than the Toyotas or Honda, actually more at the time.
 
Honda quality? At a question and answer forum I hang out at, there is a long thread about Hondas that wont start when hot. They are late 90's Accords. Nobody seems to have an answer. They just won't start after setting in the sun all day on a hot day. Every make, even my Chevies has their problems.
 
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Originally posted by labman:
Honda quality? At a question and answer forum I hang out at, there is a long thread about Hondas that wont start when hot. They are late 90's Accords. Nobody seems to have an answer. They just won't start after setting in the sun all day on a hot day. Every make, even my Chevies has their problems.

Find out when and where the ECUs were made.
 
Hello Drew, my wife just went to Regina Sask from Maple Creek Sask two weeks ago, we make this trip monthly to see our son, daughter in law and grandchild. The trip is 800 kms round trip or 496 miles, we fill up at the local Co-op cardlock at same pump on same side because the underground fuel tanks are new, no contamination. We use Wynns fuel injector cleaner every second fill. 1/4 tank left on her return. She went 496 miles on 55.7 litres or 12.26 Canadian gallons. She drives at 110 km/hour or about 68 miles per hour. The mileage is 40.45 miles to gallon, the roads are as flat as sheet metal here in Sask. Keep in mind the Canadian gallon is 20% more than the American one.

Our 2001 Altima did 38.5 miles to gallon on this same trip, we were told the newer Altima with the larger more powerful engine would do better, Nissan were right. We could barely get home with fuel light on due to smaller gas tank in the 01.

427206, I have driven Hondas, Datsun and the latter Nissans prior to Renault buying out Nissan, now Renault Altimas.
I know the earlier Nissan Altima was rated as one of the most reliable cars on road in mid 90's up here. The Sentra in 80's was the most reliable and greatest customer satisfaction up here in 1980's.
I am on my second Altima, when the Altima won car of year in Canada and America in 2002, I got rid of the 2001, had to have the newer one, it was 60% quieter, smoother, 20 more Horsepower, larger (largest in its class). To win that award there has to be something to it, the 2005 hardly changed in style, this increases value of this 2003 in years to come, stayed in style for another 3 years, 2005 was the model change, if it works then Nissan didn't fix it I guess. The nearest Nissan dealer cant keep them in stock up here, it took four months for our order to come in in 03 when we bought this Altima, they are in great demand up here, more and more on highways all the time it seems.
If I dont get my expected trouble free 450K out of this Altima, (I expect that from any Japanese vehicle) I will go back to Honda Accord, the Accord and Civics treated me good, no better than any Nissan though. I dont think there is such a thing as a bad or lesser Japanese Car, I never knock any import, I cant, I cant find fault in them in driving or hearing friends testimonials on them. I based this on my quarter century in driving these cars and my friends' and families' experiences with all makes, Toyota, Honda, Nissan and Mazda.
I miss the Japanese cars without moduels, computer tech etc., I would prefer a few miles to gallon less for an inline four with a single carb, all mechanical fueling and air intakes, mechanical door locks, roll down windows, I liked the old ones.
To each their own, I suggest Nissan because I drive them without any trouble, they work for me, economical and value. In 03, my 03 Altima with convience package came to 25,000.00 with spoiler and undercoating with interior scotch guard. The same value in Camry or Accord with same options came to 32,000.
If you go on any dealership or "sympatico automotive car compare service" or the like, you will find the base unit price on Camry, Accord and Altima identical, start adding the $1,500.00 Nissan convience package options and standard options that dont exist on the competition, you will then see the $7000.00 difference, look there for increases in ones homework, I am talking Canadian dealerships and dollars here. Camry or Accord at this range did not offer 4 wheel disc brakes or 16 inch aluminum tires,15 inch. The 4 cylinders could not match the Nissan 175 horse power, head room, cargo room, etc.
I did my homework at the dealerships to ensure I made the right choice in value, when my homework finished, I had no choice but Nissan in my experience. That's the thing, it is a personal choice on vehicles, from experience I recommend Nissan, I would not knock it's competitors though, I may drive any given one of them some day.
The 40.45 miles to gallon is true, based on miles traveled and gallons consumed, fill at same pump on same side everytime. The O1 and 03 are both 5 speeds, never owned an automatic, I dont know it that changes gas mileage or not, I know my 01 and 03 standards were not easy to find, they were ordered direct from factory.

Cyprs
 
Must be a Canadian thing. Look around the roads here, and you'll see a lot of old Toyotas and Hondas running around. You will see an occasional Nissan. It dead, abandoned on the side of the highway.
 
The saying up here is not against Nissan/Datsuns, the Nissan 2400 cc is considered as the small block chevy of Japanese cars, the saying here is "found on road dead", abbreviation is Ford . Personally I have driven Ford, Chev and currently Dodge Diesel in heavy use for my construction business. They have all treated me good, no complaints.

Fellow contractor just bought a new Nissan Maxima, he priced out a fully loaded V-6 Accord with leather, the works. He opted to the Maxima. He would have done good with either choice, to me, the choice is cosmetic in personal taste of style, either machine would go 450K+ with little trouble.

I have driven numerous Honda and Nissans, about half and half, I never found much difference in them, never a Toyota and I don't know why, friends and family drive Toyota, never had opportunity for Mazda either.

My first post in here was accurate on milege and a testiment of my positive experience with the Altima, I passed that on in good faith. It really doesn't matter to me what others buy in a car, I am not a Nissan car salesman, just passing on what works for me in car experience. If this Altima was giving me negative results, my post would have warned against buying an Altima in the same good faith. If the Altima was a negative experience or if I didn't have confidence in getting 450+K it would not be in my driveway right now.
(if I didn't live in this cold climate of -40 C or F winter, my Nissans or Hondas would go 600K, thank GOD for full synthetic oil and block heaters eh)

Happy motoring in whatever turns your crank.

Cyprs
 
Cyprs - My girlfriend and I rented a new Altima while her car was in the body shop. I have to agree with you, those cars are great. Smooth, powerful, plenty of room and very easy to drive. If I remember corectly we were getting 28 - 29 mpg. I'm sure with synthtic fluids and reasonable speeds that could be pushed to 31 mpg.
 
Well, looking at KBB and quickly configuring the cars to be closely equipped, I find the Honda is about $1000 less, and looking at similarly equipped 3 year old cars, the Honda is worth $1,450 more. Cost less to buy, worth more on trade-in.

Although, mrdctaylor, you should be doing this type of price checking to find what your price point and values are.

No doubt, some of the Nissan engines are GREAT pieces of engineering, and are pretty reliable. It's all the little stuff that breaks on them though, like they were made in a Ford or Chrysler factory.
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My mum and dad just bought a Mazda 3 on my recommendation. It drives SUPERBLY!!! (I have a Saab 93 and a 1990 Miata). I suggested the 3 because it shares the same platform as the new Volvo S40 and is thus a very robust and safe car (I want mum and dad around for as long as I can have them). The ride/handling compromise is excellent and it handles like a dream!! Very quiet on the highway and the brakes are also excellent. Seats are also firm and very comfortable. Really a great car for the $$$ The sedan is also great looking, but the wagon can't be beat for utility.
 
I've been happy with my 2001 Civic EX for the most part. There were a couple of first-year design quirks (which I knew would happen going in), but dealer service overall has been excellent. I can't get less than 32MPG no matter what I do, it's got enough cargo space, and it handles well enough on (mostly) stock suspension to autocross on the occasional weekend and live to tell about it.

Edit: You might also check out the Scion tC if you're looking at coupes. 4 cyl Camry engine and lots of standard features for about what a (sticker price) Civic EX would go for.
 
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Originally posted by Drew:
Sorry but I gotta say something about the Altimas. You will never get 30 mpg in one. In fact, you will consider yourself lucky if you exceed 25 mpg. 22-24 mpg is on average what a Nissan Altima driver gets mileage wise.

Yes, I also have to agree here. My research of owners showed a good many who were not happy about the mileage. I also thought the cars had poor fit and finish, unless you bought a top of the line model.
 
I had a thread on here about me buying a new compact car in 2003 ... not sure where it went to but it was about 6 pages long, I believe.
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I was (and still am) disappointed with the 2001+ Honda Civics. Too narrow, too tall and they cheapened the suspension. Still a good car but I think they (this 7th Gen) are a step down from the 5th & 6th generation Civics of 1992-2000. I loved my '95 Civic Coupe even though it was a "lowly" DX.
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This time around, I went with a 2003 Nissan Sentra SpecV for $16,500US. This has the aforementioned 2.5L QR25DE 175hp engine mated to a 6-speed tranny. In other versions of the Sentra (GXE?) you can get the 2.5L mated to an automatic tranny (and less bling-bling). Motor had some teething problems that are (hopefully) sorted out but I'd never want one made in 2002.
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Tuners claim this engine is a bit frail ... but seeing that they will be putting it in numerous cars and even some light SUVs, I have to think it's a solid workhorse if left pretty-much stock.

Mileage (on mostly 93 octane) has been better than the EPA's prediction (23/29). For the first year I got 23.8 in mixed driving and 31.0 mpg the second year after I changed the oil to Schaeffer and swapped out the air filter element. However, this car is 500lb lighter than an Altima and 99% of the miles are me (155lb.) commuting all by myself in an otherwise empty car.

My Sentra is OK but the build quality is not up to Honda levels. Also, Consumer Reports recently reported that Nissan's quality had dropped off some and the Sentra (about the size of the original Altima) is no longer recommended by them. Maybe the Altima is made better? I just don't know for sure.
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The Ford content in current Mazdas scares me.
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Um, has mrdctaylor made up his mind already?
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Sounds like he was leaning heavily towards that Matrix.

--- Bror Jace
 
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Originally posted by Bror Jace:
The Ford content in current Mazdas scares me.

I don't think there's much (any?) domestic Ford in my Mazda 3 though. It's made entirely in Japan and shares the platform with the European Focus. The N.A. Focus is a different car. I can't recall having heard anything bad about the N.A. Focus though.

I feel the same way about the latest gen Civic, Bror. I really liked the previous generation Civics, and it took a lot of contemplation to delete them from my potential new car list!
I didn't look into the Sentra only because you couldn't get the Spec-V without a spoiler.

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The Mazda 3 will share platforms with the next focus, not the current one. It does share platforms withe the new Volvo S40 and V50. It is a very high quality platform. The 3 is a great car.
 
The 01 Altima was actually a few cubic feet less room than the Sentra, my father bought a 01 Sentra, it seems bigger than the O1 Altima.

The 02-04 Altima under took large improvements, Renault actually bought out Nissan, Nissan is now one of the biggest American car plants now.

The 02+ Altima has many factory features, rear sway bars, all wheel disc brakes standard, 175 horsepower, 320K km steel timing chain and you cant hear it(this is a great value in not replacing belts) liquid engine mounts, 150K sparkplugs, independant suspension multilink (very nice handling, dont get a 6 cylinder though because the engine is too heavey and takes away the great handling, I like the five speed feature of the rpm raising 500 rpm on each shift. The muffler stays closed at low rpm, then only opens on acceleration for more power. Micro finish camshafts and crank shafts. Quiet ride, 60% quieter than the 01, 60% smoother ride. Largest car in its class in every way. An lets face it, the 02 Altima has been copied by every manufacturer, look at the door and body lines of an Accord, Masda 6, Ion, Chev Optra, those line come from the Altima in 04. That is a compliment to the Altima.

One thing about the 03 Altima, rev it and work, it, is much higher reving engine than the 2400 cc in the 01. Bread to work, the 2400 cc is the chev small block in Japanese cars, the 175 HP 2500 is a 2400 modified. This engine loves to work, at about 3000 rpm with the 175 horses it is enough for an old **** for me, lots of poop, some auto journalists have stated that 02+ Altima 4 cylinders can rival some of its competion's 6 cylinder products due the great output of power in these 4 bangers .

People are in a funny mindset now, they once had an underpowered four banger in 80's or 90's, they remember the trouble passing and accessing to merge traffic, they now walk into my Nissan/Honda/Toyota dealerships wanting the 265 HP v-6 with crappy mileage, man, what a waste, the 4 cylinder is all one needs, we access onto the Trans Can Highway every day from our acreage. Average traffic is about 75 to 85 Miles per hour out there, no problem, we safely blend into traffic and thus being safe.

On the mileage thing, remember the US/Canadian gallon 20% different, also, many people no longer buy the 4 bangers, they get the 260 Horsepower 6 bangers, this will decrease mileage. Also, fuel octane, I dont know the American octane levels, I do use a premium gas. My mileage is taken on miles traveled in relation to gas gallons consumed. Also, I use a synthetic oil. The Canadian Transport Canada fuel rating on the 01 was 39 miles per gallon, we got around 38 to 38.5 mpg Canadian. This 03 Altima is rated at 40 miles per gallon, we get 40.5 mpg on flat drive to Regina and back on Trans Canada, I attribute the good mileage due to the power, this engine hardly works with the 4 banger overdrive 5 speed, remember too, few people drive 5 speeds anymore, we had to special order ours, auto cause less mileage too. Also, keep in mind different enviromental anti pollution parts may be on the American Altima that may not be on them up here, I dont know the eviromental laws.

Nissan was in dire straits until Renault bought them out, Renault actually has pumped billions into Nissan, billions recently in their big plant in I believe Tenessee or Virginia, cant remember.

When my 1986 Accord with 320K got hail damaged I went looking for a new Honda Accord in 2000. The Accord priced at $26,500.00 Canadian in Medicine Hat, AB., air conditioned with 15inch alloy wheels, manual seat adjustment, no auto security features, no block heater (extra), cd, 5 speed, no spoileror or undercoat priced, We nearly signed the papers, I had read about Nissan, I told the Honda salesman we would have a cool off period before signing and we checked out Nissan accross town. We ordered the 01 Altima limited editions factory direct, convience package included in $24,400.00 price. This Altima had $16 inch allow wheels, full power front seat, 6 cd 120 watt stereo compared to Honda single. Full security system keyless entry (not at Honda for 26,500.00) 155 Horsepower, road side assistance 3 years (never used it and not at Honda). Spoiler, undercoat on car, interior scotch guard including in Altima. The Altima was a little smaller but suitable for family of three with a 10 year old son. I priced the Honda with the same options as we got on the Conv package for $24,000.00 and that Honda would have cost $32,000.00 optioned equally to the conv package in the Altima. I price both cars option for option equally, no contest, the base list prices are the same, once the options start, Nissan is the better value.
We found the same on the 03 Altima, when the 02 Altima won car of year in N.A. I had to have it because it was biggest, most powerful, beter mileage, smoother, quieter and styled. These factors convinced me to buy it, I have no quality issues with Nissan, driven them since 1978, they are proven to me, I wont knock a Honda either, just a style choice for me. This Altima is now our car for next 12 years no matter what any manufacturer comes out with, I regret the newer Altima didn't come out in 01, it would have saved me going through this new car ordeal twice.

I recommend one on personal experience, when I met my wife in 1984 she had a Honda, we bought two more Honda along with Nissan/Datsun, she too loves the Altima based on style and options, the reliability issue is no issue to either one of us. We have driven this 03 over a year now, no glitch, no problems, runs great, I change oil, has not been in shop, it wont be, just maintain them and drive them. Every Japanese car I have driven is equal this way, take care of them and they take care of you 10 fold.

One thing I have to say in ending, Nissan has spent billions on their plant in the U.S. They do a lot of Hydrogen research in B.C. Can, they spend and build part with N.A. companies. Many poeple in my rural conservative town dont think much of my Japanese Altima, thing is, this Altima is more American than most domestics, my 1992 Dodge Ram diesel has a "made in Mexico" stamp on it. In 1992 Chrysler was Japan bashing. Renault bailed out Nissan, Nissan is very American, they seem to stick to Japanese quality though. Honda and Toyota are also based here too, I take nothing from them, just that Nissan plant in the southern states is awesome. They now expanded with billion dollar plant where they make the Altima and Maxima to my understanding.
Worth looking into, Nissan is on the move, Honda and Toyota are looking over their shoulders, lots of Altimas up here now, our climates here are harsh, drive conditions tough, if any car toughs it out here, it will anywhere. In Sask here, the saying is, "if you dont like the weather, wait five minutes, it will change" We can be + 40F one day with tail end of chinook and -40 F next day anytime in winter, that is hard on any car and these Nissans take it as good as any Honda I have had.

There is no such thing as a bad Japanese product in my experience, it is a choice of style, personal preferences and value for cost to me.

Cyprs
 
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Originally posted by labman:
Honda quality? At a question and answer forum I hang out at, there is a long thread about Hondas that wont start when hot. They are late 90's Accords. Nobody seems to have an answer. They just won't start after setting in the sun all day on a hot day. Every make, even my Chevies has their problems.

The main relay needs to be replaced, a common and very well known problem on early 90's Civic's/Accords. Not particularly expensive to fix and easy for any owner......
 
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