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Reason NOT to use Amsoil
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Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I know that. Just pointing out what he asked is as ridiculous as that is.
Not at all. Would it be proper to give only the one shoe of anything? If you're going to go to the trouble of spouting the merits or liabilities of anything, do you think it's being genuine to only speak a "half truth"?
For example: You could use a 40 weight without issue, now you may experience some fuel economy loss. That will mainly depend on your trip length.
Perfectly balanced for the good and the bad. Full disclosure as I see it and nothing withheld in the advice:comment.
OTOH, I could just heckle from the peanut gallery and say "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" in one dimensional view.
I know that. Just pointing out what he asked is as ridiculous as that is.
Not at all. Would it be proper to give only the one shoe of anything? If you're going to go to the trouble of spouting the merits or liabilities of anything, do you think it's being genuine to only speak a "half truth"?
For example: You could use a 40 weight without issue, now you may experience some fuel economy loss. That will mainly depend on your trip length.
Perfectly balanced for the good and the bad. Full disclosure as I see it and nothing withheld in the advice:comment.
OTOH, I could just heckle from the peanut gallery and say "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" in one dimensional view.
This thread should be wrapped up at this point. While under warranty, use an API licensed fluid to avoid potential headaches. Out of warranty, use whatever your little heart desires.
I still think that if Mobil can make a 15k mile oil and fully certify it, so can Amsoil. Amsoil claims to like the flexibility aspect of not licensing their oils, yet I've never seen any indication they change formulas that often. ASL/ATM for example are still using the same chemistry they were several years ago.
Think of the credibility gains they would pick up if Amsoil did chose to certify....
I still think that if Mobil can make a 15k mile oil and fully certify it, so can Amsoil. Amsoil claims to like the flexibility aspect of not licensing their oils, yet I've never seen any indication they change formulas that often. ASL/ATM for example are still using the same chemistry they were several years ago.
Think of the credibility gains they would pick up if Amsoil did chose to certify....
Originally Posted By: Buster
This thread should be wrapped up at this point
No, we may actually find a " Reason To Use Amsoil "
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While under warranty, use an API licensed fluid to avoid potential headaches. Out of warranty, use whatever your little heart desires.
Sounds good to me.
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I still think that if Mobil can make a 15k mile oil and fully certify it, so can Amsoil
Under the right driving conditions, but I do agree Mobil 1 can last as long as Amsoil.
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ASL/ATM for example are still using the same chemistry they were several years ago.
Will they be able to meet the new GF-5 Specs.
This thread should be wrapped up at this point
No, we may actually find a " Reason To Use Amsoil "
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While under warranty, use an API licensed fluid to avoid potential headaches. Out of warranty, use whatever your little heart desires.
Sounds good to me.
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I still think that if Mobil can make a 15k mile oil and fully certify it, so can Amsoil
Under the right driving conditions, but I do agree Mobil 1 can last as long as Amsoil.
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ASL/ATM for example are still using the same chemistry they were several years ago.
Will they be able to meet the new GF-5 Specs.
I just think to ease public skepticism, Amsoil should license all their oils. Changes in base stock/formulations are indicated by MSDS dates. If you notice, Amsoil doesn't change them all that often. Every 4 years or so? They seem to change their formulations about as much as Mobil or any other oil maker IMO. I know Amsoil has the $$ to do it.
I'm sure Amsoil thought long and hard about it and decided it wasn't worth it for them. I agree though they'd sell more of their higher priced products to people looking for the API blessings. Perhaps the API frowns upon 35,000 mile OCI's?
Only their upper management knows for sure why they don't want that API Certs on all their products.
Only their upper management knows for sure why they don't want that API Certs on all their products.
Reason not to use Amsoil (personal opinion):
1) Warranty liability in some grey area. What if your engine is a sludger and Amsoil didn't realize it, the auto manufacture didn't realize it, and you over extend the OCI to 25k and sludge up? Amsoil said they have a note on the website said it exclude this engine in 25k OCI, and have warning to follow manufacturing recommendation if you are in warranty, but your sales rep said it should be ok and go ahead verbally (without written proof). Then you are left to defend yourself. Sure, most likely it is ok, but the risk of this happening is there and the risk that all party will use this to try to get out of liability is there.
2) Traditionally detergency fight with protection or fuel economy, so a high detergency oil will have to trade off some detergency with protection or fuel economy. I'd think it is not worth the trade off (personally).
3) Not API certified, and if you are in court all it take is some uneducated juror and a "car expert" that claims Amsoil is no good to get you off a bad start, until you have Amsoil there to defend you (if they do)
4) Cost, what can the same cost buy you if you are not taking the long drain benefit as a trade off?
This comparison goes for not just Amsoil but all non certified oil for extended drain.
1) Warranty liability in some grey area. What if your engine is a sludger and Amsoil didn't realize it, the auto manufacture didn't realize it, and you over extend the OCI to 25k and sludge up? Amsoil said they have a note on the website said it exclude this engine in 25k OCI, and have warning to follow manufacturing recommendation if you are in warranty, but your sales rep said it should be ok and go ahead verbally (without written proof). Then you are left to defend yourself. Sure, most likely it is ok, but the risk of this happening is there and the risk that all party will use this to try to get out of liability is there.
2) Traditionally detergency fight with protection or fuel economy, so a high detergency oil will have to trade off some detergency with protection or fuel economy. I'd think it is not worth the trade off (personally).
3) Not API certified, and if you are in court all it take is some uneducated juror and a "car expert" that claims Amsoil is no good to get you off a bad start, until you have Amsoil there to defend you (if they do)
4) Cost, what can the same cost buy you if you are not taking the long drain benefit as a trade off?
This comparison goes for not just Amsoil but all non certified oil for extended drain.
Talked to a fellow today who runs a turbo rebuild shop . He's 100% with Amsoil and feels the formulation is better than other synthetic oils out there . He's been involved with a lot of high performance projects and the like and has seen what oils stand up better .
Just sayin......
Just sayin......
Originally Posted By: demarpaint
Only their upper management knows for sure why they don't want that API Certs on all their products.
To get API certification they would have to reduce the ZDDP content to levels that they believe are not optimal, and pay at least $250,000 per oil in engine testing.
Tom NJ
Only their upper management knows for sure why they don't want that API Certs on all their products.
To get API certification they would have to reduce the ZDDP content to levels that they believe are not optimal, and pay at least $250,000 per oil in engine testing.
Tom NJ
OK sorry for taking it wrong. What I want you to know , if Amsoil ever has a major failure for me, you guys will know about it!! I'm not quiet about that kind of stuff and junk.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
OK sorry for taking it wrong.
Apology ACCEPTED.
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if Amsoil ever has a major failure for me, you guys will know about it!!
And any other failure you here about from another Amsoil Dealer.
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I'm not quiet about that kind of stuff and junk.
You have the most posts on BITOG, so we never expect you to be quiet.
From time to time there may be questions about Amsoil and I am sure members just want those questions answered.
Because if questions are not answered then it looks like Amsoil is hiding something and the Amsoil Dealers on this board are kind of like spokespersons for the company.
OK sorry for taking it wrong.
Apology ACCEPTED.
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if Amsoil ever has a major failure for me, you guys will know about it!!
And any other failure you here about from another Amsoil Dealer.
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I'm not quiet about that kind of stuff and junk.
You have the most posts on BITOG, so we never expect you to be quiet.
From time to time there may be questions about Amsoil and I am sure members just want those questions answered.
Because if questions are not answered then it looks like Amsoil is hiding something and the Amsoil Dealers on this board are kind of like spokespersons for the company.
Originally Posted By: Pablo
OK sorry for taking it wrong. What I want you to know , if Amsoil ever has a major failure for me, you guys will know about it!! I'm not quiet about that kind of stuff and junk.
No problem, printed words are sometimes a bit more difficult to understand than a conversation. It's all good! Truth is I don't think we'll be hearing of any engines failing anytime soon because of an oil issue.
OK sorry for taking it wrong. What I want you to know , if Amsoil ever has a major failure for me, you guys will know about it!! I'm not quiet about that kind of stuff and junk.
No problem, printed words are sometimes a bit more difficult to understand than a conversation. It's all good! Truth is I don't think we'll be hearing of any engines failing anytime soon because of an oil issue.
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I know that. Just pointing out what he asked is as ridiculous as that is.
Not at all. Would it be proper to give only the one shoe of anything? If you're going to go to the trouble of spouting the merits or liabilities of anything, do you think it's being genuine to only speak a "half truth"?
For example: You could use a 40 weight without issue, now you may experience some fuel economy loss. That will mainly depend on your trip length.
Perfectly balanced for the good and the bad. Full disclosure as I see it and nothing withheld in the advice:comment.
OTOH, I could just heckle from the peanut gallery and say "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" in one dimensional view.
I disagree completely with what you are asking myself( and I assume others )to do. Nothing I have said anyway warrants any further clarification. No half truths or misleading comments as you are implying. I will leave that to the marketing teams and internet dealers who excel at it.
Just because I say don't use Amsoil product A while under warranty in a new vehicle, use Amsoil product B( or another brand - doesn't matter what I say really )because it meets your warranty requirements, doesn't mean I am beating up on Amsoil product A or Amsoil in general. If you take it that way you are overly sensitive and overly bias in favor of the brand you sell and the problem is yours not mine.
Not going to keep arguing this with you. What you want is anyone who says anything bad( open to interpretation as to what is actually bad apparantly
)about Amsoil to also say something good and gushing in the post. That is bull and totally ridiculous. If you are going to get upset because someone says anything but Amsoil is all rainbows and roses and you can use it any time under any circumstances you will be upset all the time.
Baseless bashing of ANY product is wrong( I get upset when people do that about RP myself )but just saying don't use it for reason A, if it is legit, is no reason for you to start crying foul and demanding people take the time to say something good as well.
Again, nothing I have said on this site, and especially this thread, needs further clarification. I have never said Amsoil products are bad. Actually I have always listed them as a premium product and in my top 4 brands.
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
I know that. Just pointing out what he asked is as ridiculous as that is.
Not at all. Would it be proper to give only the one shoe of anything? If you're going to go to the trouble of spouting the merits or liabilities of anything, do you think it's being genuine to only speak a "half truth"?
For example: You could use a 40 weight without issue, now you may experience some fuel economy loss. That will mainly depend on your trip length.
Perfectly balanced for the good and the bad. Full disclosure as I see it and nothing withheld in the advice:comment.
OTOH, I could just heckle from the peanut gallery and say "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" in one dimensional view.
I disagree completely with what you are asking myself( and I assume others )to do. Nothing I have said anyway warrants any further clarification. No half truths or misleading comments as you are implying. I will leave that to the marketing teams and internet dealers who excel at it.
Just because I say don't use Amsoil product A while under warranty in a new vehicle, use Amsoil product B( or another brand - doesn't matter what I say really )because it meets your warranty requirements, doesn't mean I am beating up on Amsoil product A or Amsoil in general. If you take it that way you are overly sensitive and overly bias in favor of the brand you sell and the problem is yours not mine.
Not going to keep arguing this with you. What you want is anyone who says anything bad( open to interpretation as to what is actually bad apparantly
Baseless bashing of ANY product is wrong( I get upset when people do that about RP myself )but just saying don't use it for reason A, if it is legit, is no reason for you to start crying foul and demanding people take the time to say something good as well.
Again, nothing I have said on this site, and especially this thread, needs further clarification. I have never said Amsoil products are bad. Actually I have always listed them as a premium product and in my top 4 brands.
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You're going way overboard on the concept. It would be as simple as "You may be into a hassle of merit with a warranty claim, but the odds of such an occurrence are nill. It may be something for you to consider" ..since that's your lean on it.
But ..if you're into the "you had better have clean underwear on in case you get into an accident and have to go to the ER" or "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" type of advice, then so be it.
But ..if you're into the "you had better have clean underwear on in case you get into an accident and have to go to the ER" or "You'll shoot your eye out, kid" type of advice, then so be it.
Originally Posted By: nitehawk55
Talked to a fellow today who runs a turbo rebuild shop . He's 100% with Amsoil and feels the formulation is better than other synthetic oils out there . He's been involved with a lot of high performance projects and the like and has seen what oils stand up better .
Just sayin......
HUSH! That just simply cant be so! That guy has no clue what he is talking about because according to the API nut huggers amsoil is no good!
^^^^ That is a joke BTW but I and many people who have actually been there and done that with many higher performance engine setups know what is good and what is not and amsoil is about as good as you can get. Under no circumstances is amsoil going to cause and oil related engine failure.
Talked to a fellow today who runs a turbo rebuild shop . He's 100% with Amsoil and feels the formulation is better than other synthetic oils out there . He's been involved with a lot of high performance projects and the like and has seen what oils stand up better .
Just sayin......
HUSH! That just simply cant be so! That guy has no clue what he is talking about because according to the API nut huggers amsoil is no good!
^^^^ That is a joke BTW but I and many people who have actually been there and done that with many higher performance engine setups know what is good and what is not and amsoil is about as good as you can get. Under no circumstances is amsoil going to cause and oil related engine failure.
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