Ranking the conventional oils

[Tdbo]

This is really such an exercise in futility:

1) As has been noted,they all meet SN.

2) Such judgements are subjective because they should all meet the spec designated above.

3) Such judgements can be regionally dependent (some products may not be available in some areas.) I think Trop Arctic is a great value because it is 1) a syn blend that can be had for $2/qt or less on sale and is very close to(if not the same as) Motorcraft, Kendall, and Honda oils. Only problem is I have to drive clear to Richmond, Indiana to get it. This raises the price per quart significantly.

4)Such judgements can be made on pricing, which may very radically. If I go in a Rite Aid, for example, and see VWB for $7.89/qt., am I going to think it is a great oil? Probably not. However if Biff's Auto Parts has VWB on sale for $1.89, I'm probably going to stock up. That would make it a good oil (why would anyone here buy any "bad" oil, right?)

 

[Oldasco]

^yeah you're right. If I was asked what regular conventional oil (non-exotic) I'd use if I had to pick just one to go 10,000 mile OCI, I'd probably say Penn YB off top of my head.

 

[Donald]

Originally Posted By: NorrisB
I'll start out:

tier 1:

1. PYB
2. Chevron Supreme
3. Havoline

tier 2:

4. Valvoline
5. GTX
6. Quaker State
7. Super 5000


You really don't give any additional parameters. Is this for a conventional gas engine? Normal 5000 OCI?

 

[Chris142]

What's on sale,Least expensive, little more,more than that one

 

[fdcg27]

I've used all of these oils at one time or another, except for the MS.
I really can't see that any one would be significantly different in use from any other.
There are minor differences in viscosity within any given grade among these oils, some contain moly and some use sodium based add packs.
Different routes to the same outcome.
In comparing oils that meet a given spec, the differences in performance will be so small as to be difficult to identify.
Now, if someone has a favorite, for reasons rational or emotional, then they should use it without worry.
The price spread across these oils is also pretty small.

 

[NorrisB]

Originally Posted By: volk06
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
Originally Posted By: HTSS_TR
There is a UOA report of Mobil Super 5000 in service for more than 9k miles and TBN was above 1.0. A conventional oil that can be in service for more than 9k miles is not a second tier oil.

https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2858283#Post2858283



http://www.pqiamerica.com/testresultssep2011.html

No boron, no moly fairly weak add pack.


It has sodium and titanium. It doesn't need moly or boron. It doesn't have a "weak additive package".
Take a look at this. https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2800663


I totally didnt see it had Titanium. I should move it up into the 1st tier it looks like. Why do you have PYB tier 1 and Chevron tier 2 when Chevron has a very similar add pack?

 

[JavierG]

Based on my experience:

Mobil Super 5000
Pennzoil Yellow Bottle
Chevron Supreme

Kendall is a blend so I didn't include it even though it would be my top non-full synthetic choice.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: NorrisB
I'll start out:

tier 1:

1. PYB
2. Chevron Supreme
3. Havoline

tier 2:

4. Valvoline
5. GTX
6. Quaker State
7. Super 5000

Ranking based on what? What are your selection criteria?

 

[electrolover]

269 moly and 100 boron in PYB. Thats hard to beat with a dino no matter what the price.

 

[NorrisB]

Originally Posted By: Donald
Originally Posted By: NorrisB
I'll start out:

tier 1:

1. PYB
2. Chevron Supreme
3. Havoline

tier 2:

4. Valvoline
5. GTX
6. Quaker State
7. Super 5000


You really don't give any additional parameters. Is this for a conventional gas engine? Normal 5000 OCI?


Yes gas engine 5000 OCI or more OCI

 

[blackman777]

Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN.
Yeah but some of these oils pass SN (easy) AND also other specs like ACEA, dexos (hard). Those are better oils.

 

[electrolover]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN.
Yeah but some of these oils pass SN (easy) AND also other specs like ACEA, dexos (hard). Those are better oils.


Dino wont pass dexos. The minimum dexos is a blend

 

[doitmyself]

No one here has the heart to break the news to the OP that you cannot judge, compare, and estimate an oil's performance in a given application based on it's specification sheet?

Where's dnewton?

 

[Astro14]

Here's how I rank them:

1. what's on clearance (under $2/QT).
2. what's on sale (under $4/QT).
3. regular price.

The difference in performance is an exercise in hair-splitting...

 

[demarpaint]

I'll play. The order can change though, depending on what's priced the lowest next time I'm looking for oil for my Century. But PYB is my favorite.

PYB
Havoline
Formula Shell
Mobil Super 5000

 

[bigjl]

Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
I'm considering value for the dollar considering all major offerings meet API certification.

Mobil Super 5000
Peak
Shell
Chevron Supreme
Texaco Havoline
QS Green bottle


Good oils but poor value for the money.

Pennzoil Yellow
Castrol GTX
Valvoline White bottle






The Chevron Supreme we get in Costco in the UK is labelled as semi synth.

20 litres for £44.

Bought and used 20 litres of it.

One thing I did notice was that it smelled very different to any other oil I have bought in the last 10 yrs.

Almost as pungent as gearbox oil!

I used the container for used oil so will double check the APi specs.

 

[volk06]

Originally Posted By: blackman777
Originally Posted By: volk06
They all will perform about the same as they all meet SN.
Yeah but some of these oils pass SN (easy) AND also other specs like ACEA, dexos (hard). Those are better oils.


Show me one conventional oil that passes Dexos1. Smh... Posting incorrect information once again.

 

[DinoOil]

Originally Posted By: Astro14
Here's how I rank them:

1. what's on clearance (under $2/QT).
2. what's on sale (under $4/QT).
3. regular price.

The difference in performance is an exercise in hair-splitting...


Astro14: Sensible words indeed.

Others: Why do some here sweat, anguish, vacillate, split hairs, and perhaps lose sleep over this seemingly trivial nonsense?

Folks.... please!

 

[rshaw125]

Havoline.
Just bought a jug at Wally World. Cheapest after Super Tech ($12.67). Havoline was $13.24.

 

[dave1251]

Preferably for me I use a sopus product. Then Chevron, Ashland, Phillips, one of the Warren's, then if all else fails I will use a Exxon-Mobil product.