It actually has API SP. So I think this is just their low buck API spec oil. But if you're happy running it, then by all means. Personally I would just use a higher quality oil with guaranteed performance like the Motul oils I mentioned above or LM Leichtlauf High Tech SAE 5W-40 which has Porsche A40 and MB 229.5.
$20 budget oil choice.
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The reason it doesn’t have specs is because its using friction modifiers. It’s why they tell you not to add any ceratec to it. Molygen>Leichtlauf if doing shorter OCI. Since I send it back to FCP for credit I do my OCI every 5k miles everywhere. It’s better than spec. In my 2008 lmm Duramax I run Amsoil. At 10k miles the oil wasn’t even close to needing changing. I do UOA on all of these and they come back great. On my Grenadier it cost me $18 to do 7 quarts of Molygen, oil filter, engine air filter, and cabin air filter. Can’t beat that deal. With short change OCIs it’s a bit of a wash where Supertech would be fine but might as well use what’s on the site. To answer your question on why Molygen it’s a bit stupid.
My grenadier came with 0w20 factory fill so I ran it 1200miles pretty hard for breakin then went to Pennzoil Euro L 5w30. Then went Quaker State 5w40 (ran a little quieter). Then found FCP Euro so went with the “Nectar of the God’s” 5w30 Red Line white bottle (amazing results and my favorite to date). The Red Line was second to none IMHO but the bottles are horrible. I went to do a 60hr road trip from Texas to Moab in the summer and those round bottles were such a pain to store in my Grenadier’s pull out drawers. Slight too tall and leaked some on their sides. Wearing gloves they were next to impossible to peel the foil off the neck top and were big enough they wanted to always slip out of your hands if there was any oil on the gloves. Single handed use was very risky. Then trying to refill them was an absolute nightmare with that tiny neck. Literally the worst bottle design possible that made them such a pain to use. The Liqui Moly 1L bottles fit perfectly in my slide out drawers, stack neatly, and can stay upright without falling over. So it was really just a choice of Molygen or not and Molygen won out. The bottles are super easy to refill also from my oil pan tap. So for me it was functionality because I’m running a 5w40 anyway. I also have a stack of Motul 300v that’s been sitting for a year waiting to be used at some point. But if they would put redline in a better package I’d take it. It’s amazing how something so trivial can really be a pain on a long road trip.
Just changed oil in our Mazda 5 at 5k. I have been using Quaker State full synthetic with an orange can filter. A nice quiet oil. Car has 161K on its 2.5L motor.
FVP Full Synthetic still $18.97 at Menards; hasn't gone up (yet) despite increase in crude oil prices. I think price must go up one of these days? I've been using this in my 2016 Jeep Compass with 2.4L for a couple years now. Currently 185K miles total. Seems good, very little oil consumption (pint) between changes, similar to Pennzoil which I previously used. See FVP website for product data, API SP, ILSAC 6A & B, pour point -39 C, etc. Would be glad to hear from others.
What is "FVP"?
Just picking your brain here. What's your thought on High Mileage oils in a low-mile, yet older, rarely driven engine?
Like a 2014 3.6L Pentastar that's seen 2500kms per year?
Couldn't them seals benefit from a little extra love?
It's mostly marketing. If it makes you feel better, then go for it. I'm running Valvoline Restore and Protect 5W-30 in a 21 year old engine that's never seen High Mileage oil. No leaks (aside from valve cover gasket which is a known issue in my engine and very common). I changed the rear main seal when I did the clutch. It was dry as a bone.
Valvoline. On 5k-6k intervals, the additives matter more than the base oils and Valvoline has additives figured out.
That's what I figured...the Pentastar specs 5W-20 but I got a 3X5L jug box of Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w30 from Walmart for $99+taxes to my door. I can use it in my Foxbody 5.0 and B13 Sentra grocery-bomber and didn't think it'd hurt the 3.6 in the Jeep
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You won’t see the price of motor oil go up any time soon just because the price of crude increases. That’s not the way things have historically happened.
SuperTech oil and an Ecogard filter for $15 + tax, with enough change to buy a slice of 'za for lunch.
It went up in 22. Hard to discern what was oil price and what was supply chain?
I remember cheap motor oil after crude bottomed out pandemic time. As you say, went up after. It will be interesting to see how long it takes for motor oil prices to go up this time.
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Patman
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In Canada we really haven’t seen a significant increase in motor oil over the past 10 years. Maybe on average an extra $1 per jug per year. Right now we can get a jug of Mobil 1 on sale for about $39 ($28 US) Ten years old it would have been about $29.
I don’t do retail directly, nor Canada.
However. I will say that retail price and the wholesale / blended costs are significantly different. Retail is a higher margin product so they can generally absorb costs adjustments well. Maybe not run a special here or there. Etc.
Let’s just put a hypothetical out there. Let’s say it costs to blend and package a gallon of oil, $10. So $2.5 / quart.
That’s $12.5 dollars for a 5 quart jug we will say. Again, very hypothetical, not real pricing.
Add in let’s say… 50 cents for logistics costs. So $13 to get it on the shelf. Let’s say that goes up 30%. Cost is now ~$17.
Is someone really going to notice that much if a 5qt jug is $2-3 more? Or is that normal retail price fluctuations?
In your own example it sort of proves that.
My perspective is completely different because a 30% price increase on the wholesale level, let alone the speculative 45% or greater that could be coming…. I’ve bluntly never seen. Price changes are typically 5-7% historically in the lubricants world. I’ve never seen anything above 10% in my entire career.
Cheap oil, cheap filter, cheap pizza= zero satisfaction.
What's the matter with you...
Even a side of tomatoes doesn't sweeten this toiletty deal.