PUP's fall from grace over the last 10 years?

[Sienna dude]

Considering I’m old enough to be your grandmother….you have a lot to learn here.

I didn’t feel my oil consumption went up, I physically added more oil. Also it wasn’t evaporative loss, it was burned.

And sorry, I thought you were referring to me as ma'am

 

[dnewton3]

Knock off the bickerint please.
It would be a shame to have to shut this down.
It's OK to disagree without trolling comments.

 

[Sienna dude]

Knock off the bickerint please.
It would be a shame to have to shut this down.
It's OK to disagree without trolling comments.

No please don't close this, I need to get the reply from that lubrication guy to report.

 

[chris719]

Yes, GTL can have lower volatility, however as Overkill points out, it varies and you have to compare individual products.

Overall, GTL came to market as an attempt to cost reduce due to an abundance of cheap natural gas. If PAO were cheaper it wouldn’t exist.

 

[ndarkside93]

It’s an excellent choice.

Most definitely. I have been running M1 ESP 0w30 in my vehicle but feel very comfortable running PUP in there’s due to the vehicles and driving patterns.

 

[chris719]

At the end of the day since both Shell and Mobil source additive packages from Infineum who they co-own, I’m not sure you’re getting anything all that different from either one except one or two products that may be “first” to get something. What proportion the base oil is PAO, GTL, VHVI, etc. seems not all that impactful these days.

 

[scrllock]

If you go back and search you find this debate over PAO/GTL crops up in multiple PUP threads.

Comparing base stocks in a vacuum seems like a pointless exercise, especially one arbitrary metric (volatility).

My Forester is somewhat notorious for oil consumption, but PUP doesn't need topping off between changes and has less valvetrain noise than ESP. When it pops up with a rebate it's an easy choice.

 

[OVERKILL]

Yes, GTL can have lower volatility, however as Overkill points out, it varies and you have to compare individual products.

Overall, GTL came to market as an attempt to cost reduce due to an abundance of cheap natural gas. If PAO were cheaper it wouldn’t exist.

Yep, that was the reason Mobil gave when they were working on their own GTL plant: Cost. Of course it ended up being a white elephant and they cancelled it after spending billions, but now they buy it from Shell and use it, where it makes sense, in their products. This allows them to use less PAO, which appears to still be more expensive for them to produce and use, despite their vertical integration, than to just buy the GTL from Shell.

 

[john_pifer]

IIRC, the 10w30 PUP was the low noack darling for a while. 10w30 PUP is now $38/qt on Amazon.

Back in 2016-2019 era I ran Pennzoil Platinum 10W-30 in my 2016 WRX, primarily, because it was 4.7% Noack.

 

[addyguy]

When it first came out; PUP was a ‘long drain’ oil that specified it did 15k intervals. It had a lot of Ca detergent, and a lot of Boron (over 300ppm) to accomplish this.
Then, they dropped the long-drain claim and recommended OEM intervals, then API SN re-formulation too out the high Ca, the high Boron count, and the add-pack looked just like ‘regular’ Pennzoil Platinum….so it looks like just another synthetic at a higher price.
That said, Pennzoil does make really good oils, and UOA’s are usually really good, so it’s not a bad product, it’s just why bother with it over Platinum?

 

[john_pifer]

My local Walmart has Pennzoil Ultra Platinum again. Going to be using it for the wife’s and my moms car this oil change cycle

Don’t forget there’s a $30 rebate when you buy 2 jugs currently.

 

[Glenda W.]

Fact is the best oils always have a base oil blend because each have advantages.
In order of cost from what I’ve read lowest to highest:

GTL/PAO/AN
GTL/PAO/Ester
PAO/AN/Ester

 

[ltslimjim]

Noack isn’t the only test relative to a formulated oil that will effect whether or not an engine will consume oil; it may not correlate at all depending on the reason for consumption.

 

[BornSlippy]

When it first came out; PUP was a ‘long drain’ oil that specified it did 15k intervals. It had a lot of Ca detergent, and a lot of Boron (over 300ppm) to accomplish this.
Then, they dropped the long-drain claim and recommended OEM intervals, then API SN re-formulation too out the high Ca, the high Boron count, and the add-pack looked just like ‘regular’ Pennzoil Platinum….so it looks like just another synthetic at a higher price.
That said, Pennzoil does make really good oils, and UOA’s are usually really good, so it’s not a bad product, it’s just why bother with it over Platinum?

PUP has much more Boron in it. Speculation is borated esters in PUP. PUP is also a touch thicker than PP.

 

[MuzzleFlash40]

It’s on sale on Amazon right now especially with their Subscription.

 

[We're Metals]

It is not the same stuff, it is not GTL.

Sure it is...?

 

[ndarkside93]

Don’t forget there’s a $30 rebate when you buy 2 jugs currently.

Thank you for that.

 

[NO2]

I stopped buying PUP with SOPUS stopped honoring their rebates. Went back to M1 who has has consistently paid. They even replaced a few leaky jugs of M1EP at no charge!

 

[Aston4]

I walked through the automotive section of my local Walmart a month or so ago and didn't see it either but it seems like it is readily available on their website with free shipping.

I bought it B&M retail at WM four months ago and threw it in my Toyota made 2GR. 10w30.

 

[Patman]

I stopped buying PUP with SOPUS stopped honoring their rebates. Went back to M1 who has has consistently paid. They even replaced a few leaky jugs of M1EP at no charge!

I’m still waiting for my $10 check from Mobil 1 that I bought in March. I doubt I’m gonna see it now