PUP's fall from grace over the last 10 years?

[Sienna dude]

PUP took off because of the natural gas hype and Project Farm oil races. All that’s worn off now. I did try it back in 2012 in a Subaru and the oil consumption went through the roof. Nothing scientific but never tried it again, I’m sure it’s fine.

Oil comsumption? Dude GTL gas better volatility than PAO even.

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Looks like that oil does not want to be in that

Quaker state would be fairly comparable to the platinum with a little less additive. The ultra platinum is a bigger jump with the borate esters and high quantity of add pack compared to both.

Quaker state doesn't have GTL

 

[OVERKILL]

Oil comsumption? Dude GTL gas better volatility than PAO even.

PAO, generally, has lower volatility than GTL. I've posted a comparison on here in the past.

Quaker state doesn't have GTL

Yes it does. Just not necessarily in the same quantities as the Pennzoil products.

 

[Sienna dude]

PAO, generally, has lower volatility than GTL. I've posted a comparison on here in the past.

Yes it does. Just not necessarily in the same quantities as the Pennzoil products.

Well I watched this one guy who runs lubrication explained YouTube channel, and there is where he gives the edge to GTL compared to PAO when it comes to volatility. So that's my source.

 

[OVERKILL]

Well I watched this one guy who runs lubrication explained YouTube channel, and there is where he gives the edge to GTL compared to PAO when it comes to volatility. So that's my source.



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- 4cSt GTL has a 12% Noack, SpectraSyn Plus PAO 4cSt has 12% Noack
- 5cSt GTL has a 9% Noack, SpectraSyn PAO 5cSt has a 6.8% Noack, SpectraSyn Plus PAO 5cSt has 5.5% Noack
- 8cSt GTL has a 2% Noack, SpectraSyn PAO 8cSt has a 4.1% Noack

Since basically nothing is blended with the 8cSt base oil, I'd give the W to PAO here.

 

[Sienna dude]

- 4cSt GTL has a 12% Noack, SpectraSyn Plus PAO 4cSt has 12% Noack
- 5cSt GTL has a 9% Noack, SpectraSyn PAO 5cSt has a 6.8% Noack, SpectraSyn Plus PAO 5cSt has 5.5% Noack
- 8cSt GTL has a 2% Noack, SpectraSyn PAO 8cSt has a 4.1% Noack

Since basically nothing is blended with the 8cSt base oil, I'd give the W to PAO here.

So that Youtuber has no idea what the hell he is talking about?

 

[OVERKILL]

So that Youtuber has no idea what the hell he is talking about?

Unless he was basing his "point" off of the 8cSt bases? LOL

There may be other PAO's that don't perform as well as Mobil's, but since Mobil is generally the comparison, those are the ones I used.

 

[Sienna dude]

Unless he was basing his "point" off of the 8cSt bases? LOL

Nah, the guy is well respected. There must be more to it.

 

[Sienna dude]

Unless he was basing his "point" off of the 8cSt bases? LOL

There may be other PAO's that don't perform as well as Mobil's, but since Mobil is generally the comparison, those are the ones I used.

Leave a comment there. It will add to the knowledge. Let's see what he really meant.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Ma'am? Okay kiddo. You need to stop sharing your feelings here. You felt your oil consumption went up. That's just your feeling. Stop spreading misinformation

Actually, depending on the number of times Glenda used PUP, the info may be correct. The first time I used PUP in three different vehicles, some oil disappeared, roughly 1/2-3/4 quart. Subsequent runs didn’t use any oil in two of the vehicles, and about half a quart in the 3rd.

I’ve got over 100K of UOAs on PUP on a single vehicle, including the longest single run of anybody on the board on PUP at 17.1k. As Overkill noted, GTL does not have lower evaporation than PAO. You can’t go off the original version of PUP 10w30 that had 4.3% evaporation using Noack, because that ship sailed a decade and a half ago.

 

[OVERKILL]

Nah, the guy is well respected. There must be more to it.

Here's where the Shell figures come from:

Mobil's PAO base oil figures are all readily available on their PDS sheets at the XOM Chemical website:
https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/resources/product-data-sheets

 

[OVERKILL]

Leave a comment there. It will add to the knowledge. Let's see what he really meant.

I generally don't do Youtube. I'm not into the monetized cesspool that is most of the "technical" content there.

 

[Sienna dude]

Here's where the Shell figures come from:
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Mobil's PAO base oil figures are all readily available on their PDS sheets at the XOM Chemical website:
https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/resources/product-data-sheets

He is pretty knowledgeable, so I really want to know why he give the edge to GTL. He is part of the same team as Lake.

 

[OVERKILL]

He is pretty knowledgeable, so I really want to know why he give the edge to GTL. He is part of the same team as Lake.

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As I said, maybe he's not using XOM's PAO slate? But that would be odd, as they are, if not the largest, definitely one of the largest producers of PAO.

One of the big advantages of PAO is the breadth of the slate, Mobil has a massive number of grades available, while the Shell GTL slate is quite narrow.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Here's where the Shell figures come from:
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Mobil's PAO base oil figures are all readily available on their PDS sheets at the XOM Chemical website:
https://www.exxonmobilchemical.com/en/resources/product-data-sheets

Don’t forget to mention that an oil’s evaporation rate is not just measured on the base oil, and certainly not just the heaviest base oil at that. The additive pack also has an evaporation rate that must be accounted for, because my tests with HPL shows a decent portion of them end up in the PCV vapors.

 

[Sienna dude]

Actually, depending on the number of times Glenda used PUP, the info may be correct. The first time I used PUP in three different vehicles, some oil disappeared, roughly 1/2-3/4 quart. Subsequent runs didn’t use any oil in two of the vehicles, and about half a quart in the 3rd.

I’ve got over 100K of UOAs on PUP on a single vehicle, including the longest single run of anybody on the board on PUP at 17.1k. As Overkill noted, GTL does not have lower evaporation than PAO. You can’t go off the original version of PUP 10w30 that had 4.3% evaporation using Noack, because that ship sailed a decade and a half ago.

That guy does oils for a living, he is well respected in the induatry and he gave the win to GTL. It is very difficult for me to take your word over his. Maybe you can leave a comment on that video and let him explain what he really meant.

 

[OVERKILL]

Don’t forget to mention that an oil’s evaporation rate is not just measured on the base oil, and certainly not just the heaviest base oil at that. The additive pack also has an evaporation rate that must be accounted for, because my tests with HPL shows a decent portion of them end up in the PCV vapors.

The chart shown in the video just shows base oils though, so that's what I'm commenting on. Only thing I can think is that he's not using XOM's PAO as the comparison, but I can't imagine Chevron's being all that different? Obviously the SpectraSyn Plus bases are a bit better performers, but that doesn't really matter, they are still PAO.

 

[Sienna dude]

The chart shown in the video just shows base oils though, so that's what I'm commenting on. Only thing I can think is that he's not using XOM's PAO as the comparison, but I can't imagine Chevron's being all that different? Obviously the SpectraSyn Plus bases are a bit better performers, but that doesn't really matter, they are still just PAO.

That's why I want to know that why such a credible person made such a big claim. He clearly says in his experience. It requires more explanation. If one of you leave a comment there, that could lead to another video by him. He is not some dramatic guy after views, he's pretty straightforward

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

That guy does oils for a living, he is well respected in the induatry and he gave the win to GTL. It is very difficult for me to take your word over his. Maybe you can leave a comment on that video and let him explain what he really meant.

I don’t have any need to. I’ve used GTL, PAO, POE, and all the rest. I went nearly 10% of your Sienna’s total mileage on a single OCI of PUP in an N/A engine that’s extremely easy on oil, and then I went basically the exact same mileage on a twin-turbo, 30% ethanol mix making over 300% more power than the engine that ran PUP. Guess what? The bio-based syn required the same amount of added oil, zero. The PUP had almost no reserve TBN, the other one had more reserve at the end than PUP had as virgin.

Since you’re so focused on the data, that is.

 

[Sienna dude]

That video has received 58 comments and less than 10,000 views in 3 years, so the guy is clearly not after views

 

[Sienna dude]

Anyways, let's stop this back and forth. I'm contacting this guy for more explanation. I will report here if he replies