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Owner denied warranty for being outside OCI by 600 miles and short tripping.
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Or he could have one done at 2,000 miles and another at 13,000 miles. You don't know, nor do we, and the OP hasn't provided details in that regard
4.3 mile commute, almost 6,900 trips.
Do you know what "average" means?
What would Mazda corporate do if the OP had driven three or four 50 mile runs per month, in addition to his ten 4.5 mile trips a week?
I'm not inclined to go back through my browser history to sort out the stuff, but I was on cx50forums, mazda247 and other forums looking for good data points. WarrantyWeek is also worth a browse, I'd note that the warranty claim rate for Honda in 2023 went up substantially. I am not trying to convince others of my opinion, I've satisified my desires. Other folks can draw their own conclusions. We don't have to agree on it. Plus, a lot of this is dependent on your dealer's willingness to support the customer.
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For reference, I just calculated my average trip distance and length for my 2023 CX-50. At the time of my last oil change, my overall average distance per engine start was 9.8 miles. That is 2713 engines start over the course of 26498 miles. My overall ave run time per trip is 16.5 mins.
how would this work with automatic stop/start equipped cars? the average could be 1-2 miles per start.... but few true cold starts.
I have no idea since mine doesn't have stop/start.
One suggestion, M1 0w40 should just be the free spot.
I have a couple of neighbors who are quite mindless in ways they drive and care of their cars. Many start the car and speed away a second later on cold engine, short tripping is a norm for most, not changing oil, rattles and engine screeches are ignored, dead headlight or stop lights' bulbs replacements ignored, oil leaks and puddles, low on air tires, etc. Good area thou, and not cheap, most have good 'intellectual' jobs. Some have fancy cars but think that car a wash is maintenance.
Well, Mazda may have had a reason to deny warranty, or may have not a good one, we may not know whole story.
Well, Mazda may have had a reason to deny warranty, or may have not a good one, we may not know whole story.
dnewton3
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Exactly my point. Thanks for the IOLM info.
If the "victim" in this storyline was going by the IOLM, and the IOLM is programmed to account for a host of parameters, then why would "severe service" be anything to even pay attention to? Why have a "severe service" conditional statement if the IOLM is doing its job? And if the "severe service" is so important and the IOLM is incapable of discerning severe conditions, why even have an IOLM???
Again, I'm not convinced this isn't just an exercise in vague "what if" scenarios, but the lesson to take from this is to read and learn about your warranty, read your owner's manual, and be ready to defend any choices you make. Be willing to go to the mat to argue your side; don't roll over. Fight the good fight. Don't let stupid vague double-talk override common sense.
I had a statistics professor always say that what an average is is merely the midpoint between the two extremes. It’s also where something spends the least amount of time.
The truth here is the engine likely had a manuf. (or other) defect, the engine failed, and Mazda saw a get out of jail free card and took it. No way an average of 600 miles over on OCIs should blow an engine. If that were the case 90% of cars on the road right now would be pulled over on the shoulder or in a ditch.
Also if there is an OLM yet there is a stipulation not to follow it due to severe service that’s just a bad OLM system. My Honda minivans OLM drops like a rock on short trip driving - it can hit 15% oil life and trigger the indicating light in 4500 miles.
Also if there is an OLM yet there is a stipulation not to follow it due to severe service that’s just a bad OLM system. My Honda minivans OLM drops like a rock on short trip driving - it can hit 15% oil life and trigger the indicating light in 4500 miles.
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I believe that's the median.
The average is the total of all the values in a set divided by the number of values.
The results can be widely different.
This one instance shows a pretty common trend?
I'd let a good number of stories sway me as well.... And by good number, I mean dozens, if not hundreds. There are people in thread saying Mazda builds the worst engines in the world, they are crossing them off their purchase list, and all sorts of knee-jerk comments. Over this one Reddit post? What a joke.
I'll start another common trend.... My Fiat, purchased brand new in 2019 with only 8 miles on it, now sits at 79,500 miles, and hasnt been to the dealer even once, and has had exactly zero of its factory parts replaced. There you go CX50 haters, buy a Fiat! Most reliable car on the planet. Says me, a guy who also has a Reddit username but has never once used it.
No, you go down rabbit holes and find lots of examples of the same thing. Mazda warranty issues are hardly uncommon. One story even had a guy with under 11K miles on his car have a failed engine, but they charged him for new mounts and hoses that needed to be replaced when the engine failed. Those are 'wear' items.
Heck, it's not like the CRV is without horror stories too, with fuel dillution and other issues.
Like I said, I could flip a coin on which one I preferred. Do I think Honda's warranty will be better for me? Yep.
Regardless, people do go online to complain, happy folks are less vocal. I'm sure plenty of folk love them. That's fantastic. If they were complete crap, they probably wouldn't still be in business.
You pick your favorites.
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