NTSB urges Mandate to Limit the Speed of new Vehicles to the Posted Speed limit.

[bbhero]

“ The Feds can dictate speed enforcement nationally with one swipe of a pen, just as they do with EPA pollution requirements and Safety equipment in vehicles.
Just like those air bags, speed limiters would also reduce injuries and corresponding insurance rates. But most importantly cost free traffic enforcement of the law. “

First off the 10th amendment stands as it should against this utter nonsense.

Good, bad or indifferent that is how this nation was formed to be governed..

Not by any concentrated group of people in one particular city…

Cost free ???

You are way more intelligent than this….

I mean that as a compliment and observation.

There will be cost ….

And I’m sorry but I do t have faith in human beings like you do….

Read what happened in the 1930s…. Piece by piece by piece aspects of freedom taken away from one group… It was done slowly over time…. Nothing too super serious at first… Then by 3 years later it WAS getting serious. Eventually they couldn’t even use their own nations currency…. They lost all educationally gained accreditations… Then what happened after that ?

You can find those answers .

 

[Snagglefoot]

I thought this is significant enough news to start a new thread.
The technology is here, Heck I bet every EV on the market can be speed limited. I will go further and bet Tesla can to it with an other the air update.
Only makes sense. The new EVs are massively powerful, compact cars with 300+ horsepower, crazy acceleration times.

It may take decades or maybe a decade but I think it will happen simply because no one can come up with a reason why it shouldn't.
Wow, just think of all the lives saved. Im not a person who likes all this stuff limiting our so called freedoms but I have thrown in the towel on that *LOL* So bring it on. Yes, its ok to flame me, its not like I am a proponent but I read these crazy stories and even threads in here about the crazy speed and acceleration times and well, Im not so sure one can make an argument against it. I mean, the speed limit is the limit, right?

With that said, this is not EV specific so I posted it here. It's about all vehicles.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets...s-mandate-technology-reduce-speeding-new-cars

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It’s part of the Matrix.

 

[edyvw]

“ The Feds can dictate speed enforcement nationally with one swipe of a pen, just as they do with EPA pollution requirements and Safety equipment in vehicles.
Just like those air bags, speed limiters would also reduce injuries and corresponding insurance rates. But most importantly cost free traffic enforcement of the law. “

First off the 10th amendment stands as it should against this utter nonsense.

Good, bad or indifferent that is how this nation was formed to be governed..

Not by any concentrated group of people in one particular city…

Cost free ???

You are way more intelligent than this….

I mean that as a compliment and observation.

There will be cost ….

And I’m sorry but I do t have faith in human beings like you do….

Read what happened in the 1930s…. Piece by piece by piece aspects of freedom taken away from one group… It was done slowly over time…. Nothing too super serious at first… Then by 3 years later it WAS getting serious. Eventually they couldn’t even use their own nations currency…. They lost all educationally gained accreditations… Then what happened after that ?

You can find those answers .

10th amendment you say? Sure, Montana did it. But, federal government then said: speed limit or no money for roads from federal government. You fix on your own.
News for most members on this thread: all states that are loudest about 10th amendment are depending most on federal tax money.

 

[bbhero]

10th amendment you say? Sure, Montana did it. But, federal government then said: speed limit or no money for roads from federal government. You fix on your own.
News for most members on this thread: all states that are loudest about 10th amendment are depending most on federal tax money.

I know…. God forbid not having a MONSTROUS overwhelming bearing and corrupt and broke large entity running this nation’s to the ground…

All sides have been doing this for 50 years…. Let that be overwhelmingly clear.

 

[edyvw]

I know…. God forbid not having a MONSTROUS overwhelming bearing and corrupt and broke large entity running this nation’s to the ground…

All sides have been doing this for 50 years…. Let that be overwhelmingly clear.

Nothing stops states to fix roads from their own money, and not California’s or Colorado’s etc.
That corrupt big entity finances KY for example with $2.24 for every $1 KY pays in taxes. CA gets $0.64 for every $1.
So, I think criticism is wrongly aimed.

 

[Thermo1223]

I am not telling the town, makes doxing too easy...

Listen, you're working for the Dominion, clone or not we'll find you.

 

[OVERKILL]

I don't really care what they are protesting for or against, there are idiots for every cause and of every race

But there are laws against certain groups operating within Canada, so if you are boldly out there rep'ing a group that's prohibited within our borders, then your consequences should be at least as severe as the folks causing some traffic congestion and inconvenience with their bouncy castles who may not be fans of the current government, but doesn't desire to overthrow it and impose Sharia Law.

The selective enforcement, as I noted in the post you replied to, is the issue. There's a considerable double-standard that comes down to optics and how a certain administration feels it needs to be perceived or doesn't want to be perceived and this same ideological bent, or perhaps what spawned it, has further manifested in the shameless acts of antisemitism we've seen all over the country since October 7th, many, if not most, from people working at or attending our institutions of what is supposed to be higher learning.

 

[OVERKILL]

The real speeds and miles traveled per vehicle are significantly lower in Germany.

The fact that Germany can fit inside Ontario 3x is germane to this point. However, statistics are statistics and the fact that Germans drive fewer miles per year doesn't change the fact that their roads are statistically safer with fewer collisions, despite the existence of roads without speed limits.

It's not the speed limits that are the issue, it's lack of driver training, discipline and enforcement, coupled with non-existent safety enforcement. The fact that we can see this on the road:

Is a significant part of the problem.

 

[edyvw]

The fact that Germany can fit inside Ontario 3x is germane to this point. However, statistics are statistics and the fact that Germans drive fewer miles per year doesn't change the fact that their roads are statistically safer with fewer collisions, despite the existence of roads without speed limits.

It's not the speed limits that are the issue, it's lack of driver training, discipline and enforcement, coupled with non-existent safety enforcement. The fact that we can see this on the road:
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Is a significant part of the problem.

Death rate is calculated per million driven miles. So, how much someone individually drives is irrelevant. There is a thing called methodology. So, yes, what size is Germany is absolutely irrelevant.

Speed is not a problem. But, I would NOT like to have roads in the US without speed limit. When I drive in Europe it is stress free 120mph. When I drive here it is mile long line in left lane behind some Subaru Outback with tires that have steel belt popping out, both hands on steering wheel and eyes fixed 3ft in front of the hood. Nothing else exists, including work zone speed limit. When that Outback starts rolling at 65mph in 75mph zone, there is no change in speed, regardless that work zone has 35mph speed limit.
Then, let’s not forget technical inspections, where to register a car in Germany one has to:
1. Pass alignment test.
2. Brake fluid be at or below 2% moisture level.
3. Tires have minimum 4mm and be same brand, model and size.
4. Shocks have same resistance.
5. Pass visual inspection while machine is abusing your suspension.
6. Brakes pass force test.

That is after one has to pass written exam, pass closed test that includes parallel parking, garage parking (reverse) and moving at hill after stopping under hand brake (car cannot turn off-manual). Then passing street test.

So yeah, not sure I want here no speed limit where local driving school that is close to me more often than not has kids driving in left lane with high beams on.

 

[brianl703]

Is a significant part of the problem.

Another significant part of the problem (in the USA, anyway) is the reason why this guy's YT channel exists:

https://www.youtube.com/@TheGuardrailGuy

Lots of "frankensteined" and improperly installed guardrail out there. From this guy's videos, it looks like the same yahoos that can't build a house right are also installing guardrail.

Let's not talk about all the "yellow traps" that still exist in the USA despite being banned by the MUTCD for what, over 15 years now?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_trap

Years ago had a conversation with the head traffic signal yahoo in Manassas, Virginia about a signal with that problem. He didn't understand why it would be an issue and blamed the drivers.

Just the sort of guy we need in charge of something like that. I emailed him a link to the MUTCD, but I seriously doubted his ability to comprehend it. To this day there are STILL several signals in Manassas with that problem.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

ONE word for the ones who even suggested this speed control. IDIOTS! What else can we say?

 

[Soft Cars]

When someone gets behind me that wants to go faster than I'm going I get out of his way. I don't run into this situation often because I stay in the right lane except to pass. Furthermore, I drive with my mirrors as much as the windshield and when I see someone approaching at a high rate of speed I get out of their way well in advance. I don't see any point in creating a road rage incident.

That's what I always try to do until I've had enough with all the people merging onto the freeway at a speed slower than mine.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

wag123 said:
When someone gets behind me that wants to go faster than I'm going I get out of his way. I don't run into this situation often because I stay in the right lane except to pass. Furthermore, I drive with my mirrors as much as the windshield and when I see someone approaching at a high rate of speed I get out of their way well in advance. I don't see any point in creating a road rage incident.
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I do the same. Just yesterday evening I was at speed limit in slow lane and one of those GIANT Paul Bunyan sized trucks came hauling it so fast I had to speed up quickly and jump over into the fast lane and I belive had I not he would have rammed us from behind. Crazy? Angry? Drunk? or just a maniac. It was a close one to say the least.

 

[Torrid]

The fact that Germany can fit inside Ontario 3x is germane to this point. However, statistics are statistics and the fact that Germans drive fewer miles per year doesn't change the fact that their roads are statistically safer with fewer collisions, despite the existence of roads without speed limits.

It's not the speed limits that are the issue, it's lack of driver training, discipline and enforcement, coupled with non-existent safety enforcement. The fact that we can see this on the road:
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Is a significant part of the problem.

Both of those are the absolute sign of stupidity. Don't get me wrong, I like a low car, but I'd like to actually use the tire's full contact patch for grip.

 

[Soft Cars]

While it's probably not right, if you're only doing 8 over here it's unlikely that you'll get pulled over for speeding. Over that may be another story. I've never heard of any percentage they use for grace here.

Over here the freeway speed limit is 65 mph with 78 mph being the absolute limit before the highway patrol starts taking an interest in you.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

We have mostly 70mph. So I drive in slow lane in cruise set for about 75mph and I swear most go by me in fast lane and make me look as if I am stopped or in reverse! They must be going 90mph plus..... Many of them do not realize they can have a wipe out from so many simple things zoooming along that fast. I would not want a blow out or tire issue going that fast on a heavily used highway.

 

[Skippy722]

…it's lack of driver training, discipline and enforcement, coupled with non-existent safety enforcement.

This, in my opinion, is the biggest thing. My driving exam was a 30 minute long joke of a test, even in the middle of January. Neither the BMV nor really even drivers ed taught proper car control, it was all how to basically read a street sign and keep the car in the proper lane, that’s it…. Oh and parallel parking, for the grand total of the
I’d bet a good percentage of people don’t even know what ABS feels like I’m their vehicle when it activates, or how to even attempt to control their vehicle in a slide beyond “smash brakes and pray.”

 

[edyvw]

This, in my opinion, is the biggest thing. My driving exam was a 30 minute long joke of a test, even in the middle of January. Neither the BMV nor really even drivers ed taught proper car control, it was all how to basically read a street sign and keep the car in the proper lane, that’s it…. Oh and parallel parking, for the grand total of the
I’d bet a good percentage of people don’t even know what ABS feels like I’m their vehicle when it activates, or how to even attempt to control their vehicle in a slide beyond “smash brakes and pray.”

I did a driving test with 4" of packed snow, and some 2ft on the sidewalk. Fast forward to 2005, I came to the US. Need US driving license. Alabama driving test is at the state trooper station. My friend has a 4Runner, we get there, raining. Huge sign on the doors: " No road test during rain."
That is when I realized that DL in the US is really not indicative of driving skill.

 

[Soft Cars]

I'm going to come clean and be honest. The number one reason I'm a safe driver is the fear of doing damage to my car and the extreme hatred I would have for myself for ever getting into a collision.

 

[JHZR2]

The fact that Germany can fit inside Ontario 3x is germane to this point. However, statistics are statistics and the fact that Germans drive fewer miles per year doesn't change the fact that their roads are statistically safer with fewer collisions, despite the existence of roads without speed limits.

It's not the speed limits that are the issue, it's lack of driver training, discipline and enforcement, coupled with non-existent safety enforcement. The fact that we can see this on the road:
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Is a significant part of the problem.

Speed absolutely is an issue because of the physics of the situation. More speed results in worse consequences when they do happen. And, frankly, as obnoxious as the two examples you show are, the vast majority of vehicle incidents I see aren’t weird vehicles or jalopies, but normal cars where people got out in front of their skill for the conditions.

The point about Germany is always interesting. Thing is, long stretches of autobahn aren’t really there. There are tons of caravans and trucks, some from Eastern Europe wearing the 60-80km/hr limit sticker. Any time there’s an exit, the autobahn drops to 100 km/h or below. It’s more varied, more controlled in many areas…