New F-150 5.0 Coyote V8 first oil change

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Originally Posted By: itguy08
Originally Posted By: Branson304

Ford's oil life monitor was designed with Motorcraft synthetic blend. I'm sure Ford would much rather you use a synthetic blend or synthetic with the oil life monitor. NO WAY I would trust a conventional as far as my Ford OLMs take me. It takes me almost 10,000 before a change on the Taurus & the trucks signal at 6,000-7,000 with a lot of light to medium towing. I always use a blend or full synthetic. If I wanted to use conventional then I'd change it before the OLM told me to.


Actually the IOLM is calibrated to whatever oil meets the Ford spec. Be that synthetic or conventional. There is nothing in the owners manuals or any service documentation on synthetic blend, full synthetic, or conventional. Only that the oil needs to meet the Ford spec.


But Ford did design the IOLM with Motorcraft synthetic blend. Look it up. Since they designed it on synthetic blend, I wouldn't use a conventional. It just doesn't make sense to do so. Why would you use an inferior oil with the IOLM? Conventional is priced too high anyway, there's almost no reason to use it these days. Synthetic sale prices are dirt cheap & you can get synthetic blends & even a couple synthetics for the same cost or $1-$3 more than a conventional. Rant over, anyway.
 
There's a lot of marketing involved you have to sort through. First is what's a "synthetic blend?" I've never seen a definition as to how much syn is needed. It appears some/most of the "premium" conventionals contain a fair amount of syn. And maybe even more than some of the "blends."
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
There's a lot of marketing involved you have to sort through. First is what's a "synthetic blend?" I've never seen a definition as to how much syn is needed. It appears some/most of the "premium" conventionals contain a fair amount of syn. And maybe even more than some of the "blends."


Motorcraft is 60% synthetic. Pennzoil Gold is 50%. Not completely confirmed but Valvoline Durablend & MaxLife Blend have been said to be 30%-40% synthetic.
 
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Originally Posted By: hatt
There's a lot of marketing involved you have to sort through. First is what's a "synthetic blend?" I've never seen a definition as to how much syn is needed. It appears some/most of the "premium" conventionals contain a fair amount of syn. And maybe even more than some of the "blends."


Motorcraft is 60% synthetic. Pennzoil Gold is 50%. Not completely confirmed but Valvoline Durablend & MaxLife Blend have been said to be 30%-40% synthetic.
Your %, at least for MC, are rumors started by looking at MSDS. Rumor also has it that PYB is 70%.
 
Originally Posted By: hatt
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Originally Posted By: hatt
There's a lot of marketing involved you have to sort through. First is what's a "synthetic blend?" I've never seen a definition as to how much syn is needed. It appears some/most of the "premium" conventionals contain a fair amount of syn. And maybe even more than some of the "blends."


Motorcraft is 60% synthetic. Pennzoil Gold is 50%. Not completely confirmed but Valvoline Durablend & MaxLife Blend have been said to be 30%-40% synthetic.
Your %, at least for MC, are rumors started by looking at MSDS. Rumor also has it that PYB is 70%.


My local Ford dealer techs told me Motorcraft is 60% & I've seen others say it.
 
I think the 6.2 has a different olm my truck signals at 10k never changes and I tow about 8k lbs 50% of my driving and nothing has changed vs not towing
 
Originally Posted By: itguy08
Actually the IOLM is calibrated to whatever oil meets the Ford spec. Be that synthetic or conventional. There is nothing in the owners manuals or any service documentation on synthetic blend, full synthetic, or conventional. Only that the oil needs to meet the Ford spec.


Is there even a pure conventional motor oil that meets the Ford Spec for the 5.0L V8 Coyote engine?

That spec is: WSS-M2C945-A.
 
Originally Posted By: robo339
I think the 6.2 has a different olm my truck signals at 10k never changes and I tow about 8k lbs 50% of my driving and nothing has changed vs not towing


You are correct. Ford has an OLM that just records mileage from the last reset as well as the IOLM which compensates for short trips, high loads, etc. The 6.2 is mileage only. 5.0 and the Ecos got the IOLM.

If you want to change at the interval in your Owner's Manual for towing, set your OLM for less than 100% when you reset it. For example, setting it at 60% will give you a 6,000 mile interval.
 
Originally Posted By: AITG
Originally Posted By: robo339
I think the 6.2 has a different olm my truck signals at 10k never changes and I tow about 8k lbs 50% of my driving and nothing has changed vs not towing


You are correct. Ford has an OLM that just records mileage from the last reset as well as the IOLM which compensates for short trips, high loads, etc. The 6.2 is mileage only. 5.0 and the Ecos got the IOLM.

If you want to change at the interval in your Owner's Manual for towing, set your OLM for less than 100% when you reset it. For example, setting it at 60% will give you a 6,000 mile interval.


Either later in the 2011 model year or for the 2012 model year, the 6.2L was updated to the intelligent oil life monitor. My 2011 F-350 XL 6.2L was purchased December 2010 & just had the mileage based OLM. My 2012 F-250 XLT 6.2L & 2015 F-250 XL 6.2L both have the intelligent monitor.

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I can't seem to confirm this. As for my last instance, I always set oil life to 100%. At 5,100 miles on the oil in my 2012, oil life displayed was 23% with mixed towing/highway driving.

At 4,800 miles on the oil in my 2015, oil life displayed at 44% with a little towing & mostly highway.

Only 300 mile difference but a 21% oil life difference. These trucks have to have the IOLM. Not to mention, depending on how much I tow, the 2012 has signalled oil changes as soon as 5,000 or as late as 9,000 & everywhere in between the whole time I've had it. This has to be the intelligent system.
 
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OP. Do you feel like commenting on why you went with the 5.0 versus the eco-boost?. I mentioned to a few friends I would consider the 5.0 before the eco-boost and they looked at me like I was strange.
 
My point on buying the 5.0 was what would it cost me to replace the turbos if I ever have to... I already know the 5.0 is a proven engine as far as reliability an have had 2 different friends have problems with their eb engines and who dosent love the sound of a v8 goin down the road plus at the time the dealer only had eb trucks just covered in Chrome and I hate that shiny stuff
 
Originally Posted By: Branson304
Originally Posted By: hatt
Thugzy said:
Why?
It's not. You can run a conventional with the Ford spec out to 10,000 miles. Any reputable synthetic that meets the spec will be just fine and probably overkill. [/quote

Ford's oil life monitor was designed with Motorcraft synthetic blend. I'm sure Ford would much rather you use a synthetic blend or synthetic with the oil life monitor. NO WAY I would trust a conventional as far as my Ford OLMs take me. It takes me almost 10,000 before a change on the Taurus & the trucks signal at 6,000-7,000 with a lot of light to medium towing. I always use a blend or full synthetic. If I wanted to use conventional then I'd change it before the OLM told me to.


Just because the label says synthetic blend in the US does not mean the "conventional" does not meet or exceed Ford's specs. In Canada Motorcraft not a "synthetic blend".

The point to follow is the specification not label marketing. Not a very complicated concept.
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Originally Posted By: Jake777
OP. Do you feel like commenting on why you went with the 5.0 versus the eco-boost?. I mentioned to a few friends I would consider the 5.0 before the eco-boost and they looked at me like I was strange.


Reliability was the main factor. Planning to drive this truck for 10 years plus. Don't want to deal with issues with turbos or with drivability problems from carbon buildup on a DI engine in the long term.

From driving both the EB and Coyote back to back, i preferred the Coyote power delivery over the EB. My Coyote V8 with the 3.73 gears I believe is as quick as the EB with 3.55s.

Lastly, I installed a Gibson Dual Sport side exhaust....the truck sounds just like the Mustang... EB does not sound good with an exhaust
 
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While the factory fill motor oil is NOT worn-out, it is contaminated by metal flakes as raw internal engine parts mate together.

Suggest you change the break-in fluid and filter early (i.e. now).

Use a Motorcraft Oil Filter so as to not cause undo attention by the dealer for any future warranty claims.
 
Originally Posted By: Thugzy
Originally Posted By: Jake777
OP. Do you feel like commenting on why you went with the 5.0 versus the eco-boost?. I mentioned to a few friends I would consider the 5.0 before the eco-boost and they looked at me like I was strange.


Reliability was the main factor. Planning to drive this truck for 10 years plus. Don't want to deal with issues with turbos or with drivability problems from carbon buildup on a DI engine in the long term.

From driving both the EB and Coyote back to back, i preferred the Coyote power delivery over the EB. My Coyote V8 with the 3.73 gears I believe is as quick as the EB with 3.55s.

Lastly, I installed a Gibson Dual Sport side exhaust....the truck sounds just like the Mustang... EB does not sound good with an exhaust



I agree. Can't beat a good ole V8 for 10-20 year reliability & power delivery!
 
Originally Posted By: Thugzy
Lastly, I installed a Gibson Dual Sport side exhaust....the truck sounds just like the Mustang... EB does not sound good with an exhaust


This alone is a good enough reason to get the V8 IMO. Great choice.

But be careful lining up against those Egoboosters, they are quick!
 
Neither of those engines are ideal for a truck
A turbo that is in boost constantly or a small cube v8 that has to wind up to make power.

GM look like geniuses staying with large cube pushrod engines. The power curve feels so much better in a sports car and is needed in a truck.

I dont care for these crummy little dohc engines that don't pull until 4k.
 
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