New Battleships

[Astro14]

Battleships are obsolete in the age of Mach 2 aircraft and Missiles. We don't need no stinking Battleships A bigger ship is just a bigger target.

Did you do any research on what was actually being proposed before spouting this opinion?

 

[Shrike9]

I feel that it would be a very good thing to have the government and these industries team up with the schools to create a pathway to these trades. It would give the dept of education something worthwhile to do, and strengthen the country.

Very true

 

[nickaluch]

I would think the "new ones" would look exactly like the uss New Jersey, USS North Carolina, USS Texas, ect because thats what they would be.
Battleships with 16 inch thick armor firing 1 ton armor piercing ammo 20+ miles that can't be stopped would disrupt most current naval strategic planning by US enemies. Everything is all about carriers these days. All the anti ship missiles that are designed to sink carriers aren't going to slow down a Battleship.

What happens if the target is 30+ miles away?

 

[Astro14]

While they are being called "battleships," these new ships have less in common with the old WWII battleships that bristled with 16" guns. These new ships will be more like a super-sized modern cruiser armed with lots and lots of missiles, lasers, and rail guns that can shoot things hundreds of miles away.

Now we’re talking - the name is being used, because of size, but the ship is different from the WW II ships called by the same name in every way that matters.

 

[JohnnyJohnson]

The Russians are currently learning this hard lesson!

 

[ripcord]

What happens if the target is 30+ miles away?

30 miles away is point blank range to a modern naval vessel. This new "battleship" isn't going to have 16" guns. The modern naval equivalent of the 16" gun is an F/A-18E Super Hornet or an anti ship missile.

 

[FZ1]

Did you do any research on what was actually being proposed before spouting this opinion?

I didn't need to do any research on a, out of box, bad idea.

 

[y_p_w]

This announcement is a bit odd since Congress hasn't allocated any funding for any of these proposed programs. And what I'm getting is that "battleship" is rather poor branding for this proposed class of naval vessel. I suspect that it's never going to be built.

 

[4wd]

This announcement is a bit odd since Congress hasn't allocated any funding for any of these proposed programs. And what I'm getting is that "battleship" is rather poor branding for this proposed class of naval vessel. I suspect that it's never going to be built.

Are you sure?

 

[y_p_w]

Are you sure?

It certainly hasn't been budgeted. This is merely a proposal.

 

[4wd]

It certainly hasn't been budgeted. This is merely a proposal.

The defense bill has $26 billion for ships - there will only be two of these initially …
Years of FEED - may not cut steel for 5 years …

 

[y_p_w]

The defense bill has $26 billion for ships - there will only be two of these initially …
Years of FEED - may not cut steel for 5 years …

It would still require approval by Congress to begin a program like this. It's not as if there's a discretionary budget.

 

[SC Maintenance]

The defense bill has $26 billion for ships - there will only be two of these initially …
Years of FEED - may not cut steel for 5 years …

If someone wants to pour through these tables and figure out where - that would be interesting. I don't have the patience or expertise.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/60732

 

[SC Maintenance]

This announcement is a bit odd since Congress hasn't allocated any funding for any of these proposed programs. And what I'm getting is that "battleship" is rather poor branding for this proposed class of naval vessel. I suspect that it's never going to be built.

I am sort of there also. But I have learned to never underestimate there ability to spend money.

 

[FZ1]

One Nuclear tipped missile or torpedo will obliterate, whatever they call the thang.

 

[4wd]

I am sort of there also. But I have learned to never underestimate there ability to spend money.

FEED/R&D is all engineering - no crazy money gets budgeted until procurement phases start … Some other fiscal period …

 

[ripcord]

The concept has been in the works for a while. One commentator I read said that with the retirement of the 70s era Ticonderoga class of missile cruisers coming up, the Navy is going to lose a big chunk of the surface fleet's vertically launched missile capacity. This new class of "battleships" would replace the lost missile launch platforms plus do a lot more... But it's all vaporware at this point and not all of the technology is even ready for some of the proposed systems.

 

[Pew]

One Nuclear tipped missile or torpedo will obliterate, whatever they call the thang.

And a hundred more nuclear missiles will fly back.

 

[SC Maintenance]

And a hundred more nuclear missiles will fly back.

But we can do that now with all our nuclear attack submarines, of which there are several of the new ones currently under construction apparently?

 

[FZ1]

And a hundred more nuclear missiles will fly back.

So, how will that work out. for all? It's a big, slow-moving target, vulnerable from Air, Sea, and Under Sea. Itsa bad idea.