Chinese Aircraft Carriers

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China now has three aircraft carriers sailing. The first two were old Soviet era ships obtained from Russia. They also obtained a British built carrier from Australia named the Melbourne. but it’s not operational. After they completed their reverse engineering they built their first one. It’s named the Fujian.The dockyard is working on a second one one and who knows, they may keep the dockyard busy full time with nothing but aircraft carriers. The one in the dockyard is rumoured to be a nuclear model. I know nothing about them, but Bitog has lots of Navy experts. Fire away.
 
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I am no Navy expert, but I'd say that being at the front end with indigenuous engineering on EVs and Maglev trains can't hurt the developmet of aircraft carrier electromagnetic catapults, which are pretty much the next big thing after sliced bread.
 
Here’s a shot to show it’s the real deal. Mods, the photo is credited to the Chinese Ministry of Defence. We don’t care about THEM, do we?
Looks like they care about us, as the photo is gone already 😙

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Not sure if they really want nuke powered though. It is quite an expense and risk if they are not planning to go way out of their turf. On the other hand however it would be a huge bragging right for their rulers and make their people feel more proud, maybe that would be the reason I don't know.
 
If a carrier is not nuclear then half the fuel onboard is for the ship and half for planes. The US nuclear carriers fuel storage is all fid planes.

The US is about to decommission our 2nd nuclear carrier and the Chinese have not built one yet.

The also lack a electronics support system for defense and offense that is coordinated between the cartier and it's support destroyers & cruisers.
 
I am no Navy expert, but I'd say that being at the front end with indigenuous engineering on EVs and Maglev trains can't hurt the developmet of aircraft carrier electromagnetic catapults, which are pretty much the next big thing after sliced bread.
Didn’t they reverse engineer America’s Maglev trains? :oops: JJ.
 
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If a carrier is not nuclear then half the fuel onboard is for the ship and half for planes. The US nuclear carriers fuel storage is all fid planes.

The US is about to decommission our 2nd nuclear carrier and the Chinese have not built one yet.

The also lack a electronics support system for defense and offense that is coordinated between the cartier and it's support destroyers & cruisers.
That’s really interesting about the fuel volumes. The satellite surveillance photos suggest they have built the bottom and sides of the radiation containment area, so yes, it looks like it’s a nuclear powered ship. I guess they are not inviting foreigners for tours.
 
Some of us have been watching the Chinese develop carriers for a very, very long time.

While their newest carrier appears to be nuclear, and will have the right size to compete with US carriers in terms of capability, they are a very long way from matching that capability.

There is a lot more to flying off a carrier than ship’s equipment. The pacing of operations, the spotting of aircraft, the training of pilots, and several other factors go into the ability to generate sorties.

So far, the Chinese carriers have not been able to fly much more than 1/4 of the sorties per day that a US carrier can - they don’t utilize the deck efficiently, they don’t land or launch at close intervals, and their pilots don’t yet fly at night.

They are working on those aspects of carrier operations.

And the world in general, and the USN in particular, are watching very closely.
 
Let me add that aircraft carriers are the ultimate ability to project power. No other nation in the world can project power, just through the presence of a carrier, the way that the US can.

We maintain that credibility through actual use of the carriers in combat operations, so that a carrier strike group cruising off the coast of another nation shows that we are right there, able to act at any time, in close proximity.

The Chinese have long resented the presence of the USN in the Western Pacific. Ever since World War 2, the USN has kept carriers in WESTPAC, and often employed them on combat, right near the coast of China. They see the Pacific as partly theirs and right now, they have no way to parry the presence of the USN.

No other nation puts carriers off our coast, though the Russians, and to some extent, the Chinese, operate ships and aircraft nearby.

But those individual units are nothing on comparison to the capability of a USN Carrier strike group, able to generate 150-200 combat sorties per day within a few miles of the coastline of any nation we choose.

The Army likes to say that wars are won by boots on the ground, and that is true, but the Army takes months to get to the fight. The Air Force likes to say that 100% of the world is covered by air, and that is true, but the USAF cannot get more than a few airplanes to the fight around the world without forward basing, or a tanker bridge that allows one strike.

When a carrier shows up, it is bringing the ability to fly the entire air wing in repeat sorties for continuous operations. One simply has to take a look at Operation Eldorado Canyon in 1986 - The US struck Libya using Carriers in the Mediterranean and F-111s from the UK. The F-111s had to fly for over 12 hours, with multiple tanking operations on the way, to go around France and the rest of Europe because of treaty and overflight issues. The USN put up 38 airplanes that met the F-111s over the target. Before the F-111s even got to the first tanker on their way back, the USN airplanes were re-armed, refueled, and ready to fly again. The USAF got 24 airplanes over the target in 24 hours, and it would have been 24 hours before those F-111s could have returned, IF the tankers were available (and they weren’t).

The Carrier could have put 150 sorties over the target over the next 24 hours. No treaty issues, no overflight constraints, no refueling.

Every hostile nation, and every friendly nation, realizes this - a carrier allows us to put an airfield right next to any country we choose - and fly around the clock sorties from that airfield. True, some nations are land-locked, but most of the world’s population lives within 100 miles of the coast.

Carriers are complex, expensive, and difficult to operate, but the capability they offer is simply unmatched by any other combination of forces.

That’s why the Chinese want carriers - they want parity with us, they want the world to notice them when they operate, they want the ability to project power the way that we do.
 
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CVN-68 is wrapping up nearly 50 years of service …
That speaks volumes on many levels 🇺🇸
It does indeed.

1. The extra aviation fuel and weapon storage from nuclear power give the carrier much greater operational capability.

2. The costs savings of nuclear power over a 50 year service life is enormous - tens of billions of dollars saved by spending a few billion more on the powerplant.

3. The carriers were designed for 50 year service life.

4. The carriers are truly modular - spaces aboard ship can be adapted for different systems and capabilities. The deck launch and recovery equipment can be used by new and different airplanes.

USS Nimitz went into service with F-4s, RA-5s, A-6 and A-7 on her deck, all long gone now. Saw S-3s, F-14s, F/A-18s come and go, and retires with F-35C stealth fighters and the latest Super Hornet operating.
 
@Astro14 what are your thoughts of the claims of current long-range ASMs supposedly able to break through our carrier fleet defenses?

The patriots did a pretty good job defending their assigned locales in Ukraine and that was only a few batteries each. I'd imagine a fleet on alert would only be overwhelmed by "give it all you got" type of saturation, in which forces the enemy launchers to go back into hiding to rearm if they're not destroyed by counter battery fire.
 
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