Secretary of the Navy said we need to build ships as if we are at war. Couldn’t agree more. Takes way too long to get a ship built in the US, and China is cranking them out.
New Battleships
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Musashi was slightly biggerI thought they were rendered obsolete even before WW2 started? No expert.
The supposedly greatest and largest battleship was the Japanese Yamato. It was sunk by airplanes.
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They were doomed when Lutjens didn’t refuel like they should have in Norway and then taking a shell into the boiler room flooding it, causing them to slow down from 28kts down to 20, allowing the British to catch up.
I am in Arizona. Our battleship has sat on the bottom of Pearl Harbor for the last 84 years as a monument to obsolescence.
These days I am fairly convinced an aircraft carrier is also a floating target. Drones and hypersonic missiles have changed everything.
I would think the "new ones" would look exactly like the uss New Jersey, USS North Carolina, USS Texas, ect because thats what they would be.
Battleships with 16 inch thick armor firing 1 ton armor piercing ammo 20+ miles that can't be stopped would disrupt most current naval strategic planning by US enemies. Everything is all about carriers these days. All the anti ship missiles that are designed to sink carriers aren't going to slow down a Battleship.
US will run out of missiles in something like 8 days of open warfare with China, ships are useless without munitions
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I’m no expert but given the poor performance of large naval assets in recent conflicts and the asymmetric threats lurking on the horizon I’m not sure I’m convinced large capital ships are the answer anymore.
Maybe the larger ships can support the power generation for newer energy weapons though? Maybe they could hold larger magazines of cheaper missiles? Be staging points for drones?
Shore bombardment is still a big gap right now IIRC.
Maybe the larger ships can support the power generation for newer energy weapons though? Maybe they could hold larger magazines of cheaper missiles? Be staging points for drones?
Shore bombardment is still a big gap right now IIRC.
That is, evidently, the intent - a well—armed surface combatant carrying more than 100 missiles of various types, including surface to air for self-defense, and cruise missiles for land attack.
Read through the brief I linked.
Spend some time on Wikipedia to see what variety of weapons can be loaded into the MK-41 VLS. This would have 128 VLS “tubes” in contrast with a Ticonderoga class cruiser that has 60.
In addition, it would have 12 hypersonic CPS missiles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventional_Prompt_Strike
Go research what a US Navy railgun looks like (it’s a hypersonic weapon with a 200 mile range that was in development nearly 20 years ago, and there is no counter to an 9,000 fps round from a rail gun).
Well-armed, fast, able to defend itself, and able to strike an adversary from far away. That is what was announced, and most people on this thread didn’t bother to learn about that announcement, before talking about WW II Battleships like the Bismarck or the Missouri, cluttering up the thread with completely irrelevant perspective.
1930s thinking. How do you get a ship within 20 miles of an enemy warship in 2025? Or, are you being sarcastic?
So it’s a heavy missile strike cruiser and not a true battleship
It also helps fills a very serious lack of shore bombardment fire support for the Marines
Have you seen the videos of how the Chinese navy is challenging Philippines and how close ships are getting to each other
Say the submariners - but submarines have limited capability against land targets and very minimal capability to project power without firing a shot. That latter, peacetime, role is critical.
They touched a boat in 1999 in again in 2021 so it can be done.
Seems like a old Iowa class would be really good at that game.
The US has trouble building the new carriers and subs already on order. And doing the massive amount of maintenance required on these incredibly complex ships. The US Navy helps with some maintenance but the main problem is not enough ship yard workers.
Maybe send the US Nimitz out for another deployment?
While they are being called "battleships," these new ships have less in common with the old WWII battleships that bristled with 16" guns. These new ships will be more like a super-sized modern cruiser armed with lots and lots of missiles, lasers, and rail guns that can shoot things hundreds of miles away.
I cant see this ever getting off the ground, given the build time and how long this administration has left I think it will be cancelled as it turns into a political football.
