Mobil 1 & Oil Consumption in Hondas

[Audi Junkie]

My Hondas never burned oil either. Some people have ones that do, and in those, Mobil 1 burns like crazy.

Talk about patterns, the people who love Mobil 1 the most "never experimented with anything else". What's the deal with that? I use all different brands.

 

[buster]

Ya I mean I'm a M1 fan and I'll admit for whatever reason their oils burn more in certain engines. I've been around here long enough to realize that. Probably has to do with there switch to Group III and AN's.

M1 5w30 noack is 11-13%, which is a lot higher then it used to be when it was primarily pao.

Maybe for GF-5 they will go back to PAO. Then again, Grp III's have better solvency. It's really always the end product that counts, regardless of how you get there..

 

[moto94536]

I don't know about it.. m1 was used in 2010 toyota matrix. after 5000 miles, the oil was very black.. maybe m1 have alot of Molybdenum.. but who need it????

 

[buster]

huh?

 

[caprice_2nv]

I just bought a jug of M1 15w50 for my mid 70's 350 Oldsmobile engine. I really doubt it will have any negative effect on consumption. I might sometimes be down half a qt by 3k miles. I run it hard sometimes with some 1/4 mile track passes, that and it's carbureted so I don't like to run much past 3k even with synthetic.

The current fill is Castrol Syntec 5w50, at about 2k miles with no usage at all. Last OCI was Amsoil 5w40 Euro formula with no usage at 3.5k miles. I've run several different 5w40 and 10w30's and even GC 0w30. I haven't noticed a huge difference with any of them.

I only bought the 15w50 M1 cause of the higher levels of zinc/phosphorous and I wanted to run a higher end synthetic instead of the mid level stuff or HDEO's.

 

[donny939]

07 civic ex about 50,000 miles. mobile 1 burned so much in my car that i switched to syntec and hasnt burned a drop... hit or miss

 

[buster]

Originally Posted By: donny939
07 civic ex about 50,000 miles. mobile 1 burned so much in my car that i switched to syntec and hasnt burned a drop... hit or miss


....a very common complaint with M1.

 

[webfors]

So far my Rotella T has burned a drop

Is this an urban legend?.. mixed with the fact M1 has huge market share and every racer/ricer/enter-teenage-racing-kid-stereotype-here has tried it in their pimped ride.

Do we have enough statistics to confirm a trend? I don't think so.

 

[garlicbreadman]

lots of m1 burning oil stories:

http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2106746
summary-relieved m1 oil burning issues by using amsoil, castrol gtx and other expensive oils. do note that this m1 issue pertains to honda's b series vtec engines, particular the b18c5 which revs to 8.4k rpms

even corvette owners complained about m1 burning off?


i have 2 hondas, none of them burn oil so i can't give an input. i did use m1 0w-30 for 1k miles and it didnt burn. used 5w-30 clean for 3k and it didnt burn either.

 

[Mokanic]

Originally Posted By: buster
Ya I mean I'm a M1 fan and I'll admit for whatever reason their oils burn more in certain engines. I've been around here long enough to realize that. Probably has to do with there switch to Group III and AN's.

M1 5w30 noack is 11-13%, which is a lot higher then it used to be when it was primarily pao.

Maybe for GF-5 they will go back to PAO. Then again, Grp III's have better solvency. It's really always the end product that counts, regardless of how you get there..


Buster,are you implying that the Great One has pulled a sneaky Pete in the formulations? That's enought to get you tarred & feathered. None of my Hondas have used oil. Of course none of them know anything about M1 either.

 

[tig1]

It's odd, if M1 oils have a problem in Honda's, why does Honda recommend M1 5-30 in their most sophiscated engines. The Honda HTO-06 high temp and low deposit spec(translated low burnoff) was first meet by M1 5-30, and to this day only a very few oils can meet this spec. Also if M1 was a problem that the naive engineers were not aware of when Honda first certified M1 5-30 as their reccomended oil for the RDX turbo, wouldn't you think they would have discovered this valuable information some of you oil wizzards have known of years ago. My sons 96 Accord used M1 10-30 at 10K ocis and didn't use oil at all. So what? Even though the car itself was junk, the engine performed very well until he sold it with 135K. Also if M1 is the problem in Honda's why does the vast majority of M1 users have no problems at all with M1? As M1 oils are used in more engines than perhaps all the other synthetics combined, it might make a little common since that some would find fault with the leader in synt oil.

 

[buster]

LOL

 

[digitalSniperX1]

lol@oil wizards.

 

[Gary Allan]

Quote:
why does Honda recommend M1 5-30 in their most sophiscated engines. The Honda HTO-06 high temp and low deposit spec(translated low burnoff) was first meet by M1 5-30, and to this day only a very few oils can meet this spec.


This is easily explained, Tig (more)

Quote:
if M1 was a problem that the naive engineers were not aware of when Honda first certified M1 5-30 as their reccomended oil for the RDX turbo,


Who said it was a problem? The engine isn't harmed here. That's all the engineers were concerned about.

You see, the secret to M1 meeting the heralded HTO-06 is the outstanding evaporative cooling properties of M1. The spec itself a a loosely concealed code. H-TWO-O.

Heck, I hear people... daily... commenting on how M1 poured out of the bottle like water at room temp.

It makes perfect sense. Clear as crystal.

 

[rclint]

I think tig1 is some close kin to some exxon mobil folks... it has to be the mobil 1 group of engineers... techs etc. I posted earlier, however it was storming here so I will go back and repost my original post..

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: rclint
I think tig1 is some close kin to some exxon mobil folks... it has to be the mobil 1 group of engineers... techs etc. I posted earlier, however it was storming here so I will go back and repost my original post..


You are on to me.

 

[rclint]

Honda dealer feels the amount of oil consumed by my V6 is normal, and they imply there is no value in synthetic oils in Honda engines.

(Mobil 1 tech) We can honestly say that there is not a single performance parameter where conventional motor oil outperforms a synthetic motor oil. So using a synthetic motor oil for your driving conditions makes sense. There is nothing unique about the Honda engine oil requirement that would dictate using conventional motor oil for driving conditions in your part of the country or elsewhere.

To me it seems the mobil 1 tech side step the question by answering a question that is not even asked... the honda tech said mobil 1 or synthetic is not needed in the honda engine (I admit he did say any honda engine, but I assume he was talking this engine family) yet the mobil 1 tech answers the question talking about how no conventional oil outperforms mobil 1... so what I say the honda tech said it's not needed... as in a waste of money... My point is the mobil 1 tech did not deal with the oil burning issue, nor did he answer the question about synthetic not being needed, he only advertised the mobil 1 product as being better than conventional side stepping the issue here... well maybe it's just me...

(putting fire, flame proofing on now.. go easy tig1)

 

[Tom NJ]

Originally Posted By: buster
Last night I was talking to my neighbor ...He said he stopped using Mobil 1 because when he switched over to it, his car started to consume oil.

Testimonials are cheap. Here's mine: "Four grades of M1 in three cars over 11 years and never added any make-up oil". There - neighbor neutralized.

Originally Posted By: buster
Something in Mobil 1's formulations causes higher than normal oil consumption in *certain engines. I've heard it could be the higher volatility of the Alkylated Napthalene base oils.

XOM's 5 cSt AN is less volatile than 4 cSt PAO (NOACK 12.7% vs 14%)

Tom NJ

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: buster
LOL

 

[Audi Junkie]

Originally Posted By: Tom NJ

Testimonials are cheap. Here's mine: "Four grades of M1 in three cars over 11 years and never added any make-up oil".

Tom NJ


I thought we were talking about Hondas?