Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 observations

[GW.]

Switching the Valvoline Restore and Protect topic slightly - I believe a max OCI using Valvoline Restore and Protect and a good oil filter is important . Run an OCI too long using Valvoline Restore and Protect and you will introduce deposits which you have been trying to clean . Unless all driving is interstate / highway driving - I suggest to keep Valvoline Restore and Protect OCI’s at between 3,000 to 4,000 miles … This is not an oil you want to play long drain games with .

I’m running 5k with no problems with Valvoline Restore and Protect.

 

[Hohn]

Switching the Valvoline Restore and Protect topic slightly - I believe a max OCI using Valvoline Restore and Protect and a good oil filter is important . Run an OCI too long using Valvoline Restore and Protect and you will introduce deposits which you have been trying to clean . Unless all driving is interstate / highway driving - I suggest to keep Valvoline Restore and Protect OCI’s at between 3,000 to 4,000 miles … This is not an oil you want to play long drain games with .

Agree completely. On my first OCI of Valvoline Restore and Protect it was clear that the rate of cleaning was falling off pretty rapidly. As one would expect of a cleaning effect ostensibly attributable to a consumable additive. Of course one would expect the rate of cleaning to slow as the main agent gets used up and its concentration diminishes.

It wasn't as clear to me in the first OCI that the cleaning was slowing a good deal until I saw the massive increase in cleaning rate on the second OCI.

All that to say-- I completely agree with Valvoline Restore and Protect is a standard or shortened OCI oil. IMHO it is NOT an extended OCI oil and it would be unwise to try unless you have worked up to it and you have an already very clean engine. If you have a very dirty or heavily varnished engine like my old Odyssey does, It's probably best to short OCI and work back up to whatever "normal" you use.

I'll change this 2nd Valvoline Restore and Protect OCI when the OLM hits about 50%. That should be around 3k miles.

 

[iCurious]

In addition to all of those approvals above that are listed for ESP 0w30, ESP 5w30 also adds BMW LL04 and it is API SP for those who may careView attachment 263596

I've been using this oil on my GLS450.

 

[lightrider]

According to their website it does.

https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/for-personal-vehicles/our-products/products/mobil-1-esp-0w-30

It has SP. and ILSAC GF6. I have a 5-gal jug in the garage

 

[kschachn]

It has SP. and ILSAC GF6. I have a 5-gal jug in the garage

No it is not API SP licensed. It meets the engine test requirements for that license but not the bench test.

I’d consider that a benefit not a bug, but it’s not licensed.

 

[edyvw]

It has SP. and ILSAC GF6. I have a 5-gal jug in the garage

What was said. But it is definitely not ILSAC GF6.

 

[svenson]

GTL/PAO/Ester blend

i read Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 msds and i see very little of esters almost 1%, almost 10% PAO and a big amount of GTL.

https://seattleautomotive.com/files/SDS/MOBIL 1 ESP 0W-30_124547.pdf

1-DECENE, TETRAMER AND TRIMER HYDROGENATED 68649-12-7 5 - < 10% that is PAO
PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID, MIXED 0,0 BIS (1,3- 84605-29-8 0.1 - < 1% that is esters
DISTILLATES, HEAVY, C18-50 - BRANCHED, CYCLIC 848301-69-9 848301-69-9 30 - < 40%, that is GTL

i expected more PAO/ester analogy? for a pao/ester called oil.it seems it is more a gtl oil

 

[OVERKILL]

i read Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 msds and i see very little of esters almost 1%, almost 10% PAO and a big amount of GTL.

https://seattleautomotive.com/files/SDS/MOBIL 1 ESP 0W-30_124547.pdf

1-DECENE, TETRAMER AND TRIMER HYDROGENATED 68649-12-7 5 - < 10% that is PAO
PHOSPHORODITHIOIC ACID, MIXED 0,0 BIS (1,3- 84605-29-8 0.1 - < 1% that is esters
DISTILLATES, HEAVY, C18-50 - BRANCHED, CYCLIC 848301-69-9 848301-69-9 30 - < 40%, that is GTL

i expected more PAO/ester analogy? for a pao/ester called oil.it seems it is more a gtl oil

Why are we looking at a 2022 SDS that's not hosted by XOM? Also, that ester you highlight is ZDDP. Most esters don't get called out on SDS sheets, which is also part of the reason why the numbers listed there do not add up to 100%.

Current SDS which is 2 years newer, August of 2024.

Relevant section:

25-50% GTL
10% PAO
11% "other" base oils

ZDDP isn't called out on this SDS.

 

[svenson]

25-50% GTL
10% PAO
11% "other" base oils

ZDDP isn't called out on this SDS.

and esters?

 

[Legs4Arms]

I've been running this oil for a week now in my 04 Silverado with the 5.3 Vortec, and here's my completely unscientific findings:

Starts faster
Engine seems to warm up quicker
Incredibly smooth and responsive acceleration

I don't track fuel economy so I have nothing to share there. So far quite pleased with this oil selection and I think I made the right choice with the switch. With the kv100 viscosity being nearly light 40 grade territory, it isn't much lighter than the Swepco 306 15w40(12.7 kv100 per voa) it replaced. Much lower zddp than the Swepco but higher boron and Moly, much lower calcium than the Swepco but with the possibility of some ester content in the ESP the detergentcy and seal conditioning aspects should be better long term. Just thought I'd share.

Happy Valentine's Day fellas!

Isn't the old champ of PCMO's, Mobil 1 0W-40 still the higher performance oil, with 0W-30 ESP being the more compliance based?

I'm talking merely from an engine protection standpoint as opposed to emissions system protection? I own and prefer older cars and engines so don't really need a low SAPS oil

 

[tired]

Mobil 1 0W-40 still the higher performance oil

Yes, it is also an intro track oil as well.

I think there's an argument to be made that the newer low SAPS oils protect just as well as the high SAPS oils do, even with lower TBN, due to better base oils. I can see arguments on both sides for this.

 

[OVERKILL]

and esters?

As I said, they aren't usually called out because they aren't hazardous.

 

[ChrisD46]

We believe the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 to have some cleaning ability - but how would you rate the wear protection in its class ?

 

[IndyFan]

We believe the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 to have some cleaning ability - but how would you rate the wear protection in its class ?

I´m sure some interesting responses will come to that question, but honestly, wouldn´t you have to drive an engine nearly exclusively using that oil until it wears out to get the real answer?

 

[facility1]

We believe the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 to have some cleaning ability - but how would you rate the wear protection in its class ?

about the same as any off the shelf oil in the 0w/5 range, boutique oils can offer a bit more protection (HPL,AMSOIL Signature Series etc) and longer change intervals. Depends also on the vehicle condition, driving habits, climate (fuel dilution ) etc, certain 5w-30 oils can actually have better cold performance and running viscosity to note per CCS and MRV test results if obtainable from the manufacture/blender. use the oil in question (esp) for what it is formulated for, ( euro) . many other oils use small to moderate levels of G. 4&5 base oils in the blend they market.

 

[Japanese]

We believe the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 to have some cleaning ability - but how would you rate the wear protection in its class ?

People rate its protection as superior to other oils in Walmart and drive with it b/w 7,500 and 10,000 miles.

 

[ChemLabNL]

We believe the Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 to have some cleaning ability - but how would you rate the wear protection in its class ?

It is C30 rated. You don't get better.

 

[Legs4Arms]

A40 is tougher to meet.

 

[IndyFan]

about the same as any off the shelf oil in the 0w/5 range, boutique oils can offer a bit more protection (HPL,AMSOIL Signature Series etc) and longer change intervals. Depends also on the vehicle condition, driving habits, climate (fuel dilution ) etc, certain 5w-30 oils can actually have better cold performance and running viscosity to note per CCS and MRV test results if obtainable from the manufacture/blender. use the oil in question (esp) for what it is formulated for, ( euro) . many other oils use small to moderate levels of G. 4&5 base oils in the blend they market.

How do the boutique oils offer a bit more protection? How is that measured?

 

[Japanese]

A40 is tougher to meet.

C3 is an ACEA certification (for gasoline and diesel engines), where A40 is a Porsche standard.
What 30 grade oil covers Porsche A40?