metal shards on my tranny drain plug-not another honda!!!

[Ankur]

yup as you guessed, i have a 94 honda accord with 185k. The tranny feels fine, for a car with that kinda mileage. (AT, with honda ATF)

yet when I was taking out the drain plug, I noticed metal shards all over it. I wiped them off, I then tried to run my finger on the inside walls of the oil pan, but didnt feel anything. Should I add some sort of tranny additive now?


thanks...
>Ankur

[ January 20, 2005, 04:54 PM: Message edited by: Ankur ]

 

[Ankur]

how about magnefine?

 

[benjamming]

How often have you drained & refilled? Any racing?

 

[Ankur]

naw, no racing. i drain/refill ever 30k. I sometimes drop into 2nd while moving, (to engine brake downhills, or to keep in gear in a turn, bad i know...)

 

[MolaKule]

Ankur,

You have just proven my theory about not using ATF in manual transmissions. ATF has neither the AW/EP adds nor friction modifiers to properly protect MT's.

SF has an MTFGlide that replaces ATF fluid in manual transmissions with real AW/EP additives and the correct friction modifiers.

 

[brianl703]

quote:

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Originally posted by Ankur:
(AT, with honda ATF)

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AT = automatic transmission?

 

[MolaKule]

Good point Brian,

If Ankur has an Automatic Transmission, then he should replace as much oil as possible and then UOA the fluid at 10k to see if he has an internal tranny problem.

 

[Ankur]

yup, sorry for no clarifing its a auto. Well, at this point im gonna drive in until it slips like crazy. I dont think anything can save a tranny at 185k, if it gears are starting to go. Or am I wrong?

 

[Rickey]

Could this just be normal wear from the clutch assemblies? I think they will be a friction material against steel type assembly in this application which will result in some wear metal if true. Is the drain plug magnetic? How much metal? Good Luck. Rickey.

 

[Ankur]

hey rickey! yes sir i do think its magentic!

i noticed that it did look like a magnet that you would drag thro a sand box. I cant believe I didnt think of that before....geez....

thanks!

>Ankur

 

[berge]

it's a magnetic plug and it's normal to have some metal on it.

don't worry.

I have a 94 with 120K, do you have the delayed engagement into 'D' also?

 

[JMK3rd]

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Originally posted by berge:


I have a 94 with 120K, do you have the delayed engagement into 'D' also?

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Hi,
I have a 1997 Accord EX 4-cyl/AT. When I put it into 'D', there is about a 1-2 second delay before you feel the "bump" of it shifting into gear. It's not very noticible, and has done this since day one. My 1995 Accord wagon did the same thing for the 8 years we owned it. No problems at all. Am I just lucky?

 

[Ankur]

yup, I do get that lag when putting into D, i just thought it was getting old.

So is dropping into 2nd/3rd from like 40 mph, bad for the tranny? i do it once in a while, to engine brake down big hills/mtns driving.

what do you guys think?

 

[berge]

quote:

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Originally posted by JMK3rd:

quote:

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Originally posted by berge:


I have a 94 with 120K, do you have the delayed engagement into 'D' also?

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Hi,
I have a 1997 Accord EX 4-cyl/AT. When I put it into 'D', there is about a 1-2 second delay before you feel the "bump" of it shifting into gear. It's not very noticible, and has done this since day one. My 1995 Accord wagon did the same thing for the 8 years we owned it. No problems at all. Am I just lucky?

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normal. doesn't hurt a thing. TSB says with enough flushing it will go away, but, with honda atf at $4/L, I'll live with it since it's not harmful.

 

[T-Keith]

If I'm not mistaken Honda transmissions have some elements of a manual tranny in them. Perhaps this would change the needs of the ATF?

 

[FazerZ]

Shards are not normal, but if you are NOT experiencing any operational complaints, there is little to do. Stick to regular service and if you notice any noise or shifting irregulaties, then i would take it to a good transmission shop for inspection.

On the delayed forward engagement on most of these honda transaxles (BOYA,AOYA) with age this is a fairly common complaint. Give it the time to fully engage in gear, before taking off.

The complaint is due to a few things, lower pressure at the low clutch (read leaks), excessive low clutch clearance, and possible restriction of the main filter. Torque convertor clutch fuzz at high mileage LOVES to stop up the filter (non-serviceable of course) and cause trouble.

Nothing you can do to correct until the transaxle fails, which as one poster suggested could be a long time. Keep up the regular services (drain/fill) with Honda ATF to give it the best chance.

DH

 

[Bror Jace]

ankur: "I have a 94 Honda Accord with 185k. The (automatic) tranny feels fine, for a car with that kinda mileage."

Stop right there. You have an automtaic with 185,000 miles on the odometer and it still works well?

Consider yourself blessed.

Change the fluid and be happy. Life is good.

--- Bror Jace

 

[Ankur]

yup, i agree, im just gonna be happy! thanks guys

 

[SilverGGA@Work]

Is it normal for Honda/Acura transmissions to go into D harsh before it warms up? My GF has a 1997 Acura Integra auto and the first shift in the morning into R or D has always been harsh (to a degree that the car shakes a bit). There is no delay to go into gear though, just harsh. Doesn't slip as well. Everything is normal once it warms up. Just wondering if it is normal.

We bought the car 2 years ago with 60k miles from a friend who used a dealer for maintenance. And we changed with Honda ATF at 60k, 75k, 90k, and 105k. We plan to change the ATF again at 112.5k and 120k again in order to inject as much new fluid into the transmission as possible.

 

[kenw]

"ankur: "I have a 94 Honda Accord with 185k. The (automatic) tranny feels fine, for a car with that kinda mileage."

Stop right there. You have an automtaic with 185,000 miles on the odometer and it still works well?"

see nothing unusual here. Only those with Fords, Chevys and Dodges think this strange......

my 97 camry has 163k and never a trans problem. My 93 camry has 165k and never a trans problem.
my 91 camry had 145k and never a trans problem.
my son's 93 accord has 146k and never a trans problem.

all automatics, all stock and all normal (read: no voodoo blends) fluids.

do you see a trend here?