Just wondering... 1st ATF D&R was the first application of Lubegard Platinum. Coming up on #2 D&F service. Throw another bottle in?
Lubegard with every ATF D&R?
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MolaKule
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If you are attempting to clean some varnish in your AT then LubeGard Red might help but I would never use the Platinum.
Hey Mola,
What's the issue with Platinum?
What's the issue with Platinum?
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MolaKule
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Originally Posted by GSCJR
Hey Mola,
What's the issue with Platinum?
Modification of the dynamic friction coefficients.
Hey Mola,
What's the issue with Platinum?
Modification of the dynamic friction coefficients.
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
Originally Posted by MolaKule
I would never use the Platinum.
Why not? I don't see anything on the Lubegard conversion chart available via their website, that says "never use Platinum".
Fwiw, I always use the red with a D/R every 2yrs
I would never use the Platinum.
Why not? I don't see anything on the Lubegard conversion chart available via their website, that says "never use Platinum".
Fwiw, I always use the red with a D/R every 2yrs
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MolaKule
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
Originally Posted by MolaKule
I would never use the Platinum.
Why not? I don't see anything on the Lubegard conversion chart available via their website, that says "never use Platinum".
Fwiw, I always use the red with a D/R every 2yrs
Of course you wont because they want to sell their product. This is one of their so-called "conversion" fluids.
Originally Posted by https://www.lubegard.com/products/platinum/
Enhances DEXRON® III, VI/MERCON® , V ATF to perform like a highly friction modified ATF, such as:
Honda® Genuine ATF
Toyota® Type T/TII/TIV
Mopar® ATF + 3® (7176)
Mopar® ATF +4® (9602)
And all other highly friction modified ATF's
The proper ATF fluid will have the correct friction modification chemistry as part of the DI package. Changing the final chemistry alters the required friction coefficient.
Originally Posted by MolaKule
I would never use the Platinum.
Why not? I don't see anything on the Lubegard conversion chart available via their website, that says "never use Platinum".
Fwiw, I always use the red with a D/R every 2yrs
Of course you wont because they want to sell their product. This is one of their so-called "conversion" fluids.
Originally Posted by https://www.lubegard.com/products/platinum/
Enhances DEXRON® III, VI/MERCON® , V ATF to perform like a highly friction modified ATF, such as:
Honda® Genuine ATF
Toyota® Type T/TII/TIV
Mopar® ATF + 3® (7176)
Mopar® ATF +4® (9602)
And all other highly friction modified ATF's
The proper ATF fluid will have the correct friction modification chemistry as part of the DI package. Changing the final chemistry alters the required friction coefficient.
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Originally Posted by Tikka
Hi
Please do not mistake my questions as being snotty. Genuinely interested to know
Why do you think there is a need to add lubeguard? What is the correct spec ATF lacking?
Thanks.
Tikka
For me, without Lubegard Red my little 4spd just cooks the fluid. I'm superstitious about moving away from Toyota WS (silly i know) so i use Lubegard to keep temps down so I'm not drain and filling every 20k. Without it the fluid gets dark and burnt smelling too quick for my liking. It's an old transmission too.
Hi
Please do not mistake my questions as being snotty. Genuinely interested to know
Why do you think there is a need to add lubeguard? What is the correct spec ATF lacking?
Thanks.
Tikka
For me, without Lubegard Red my little 4spd just cooks the fluid. I'm superstitious about moving away from Toyota WS (silly i know) so i use Lubegard to keep temps down so I'm not drain and filling every 20k. Without it the fluid gets dark and burnt smelling too quick for my liking. It's an old transmission too.
Originally Posted by Ponchinizo
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
That's what I've been doing. I only use LG red.
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
That's what I've been doing. I only use LG red.
Originally Posted by demarpaint
Originally Posted by Ponchinizo
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
That's what I've been doing. I only use LG red.
Well I know Im doing it right then!
Originally Posted by Ponchinizo
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
That's what I've been doing. I only use LG red.
Well I know Im doing it right then!
MolaKule
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Originally Posted by Tikka
Hi
Please do not mistake my questions as being snotty. Genuinely interested to know
Why do you think there is a need to add lubeguard? What is the correct spec ATF lacking?
Thanks.
Tikka
Did you mean to ask: "What in the specified ATF formulation is lacking in terms of its chemistry?"
Hi
Please do not mistake my questions as being snotty. Genuinely interested to know
Why do you think there is a need to add lubeguard? What is the correct spec ATF lacking?
Thanks.
Tikka
Did you mean to ask: "What in the specified ATF formulation is lacking in terms of its chemistry?"
Originally Posted by MolaKule
Of course you wont because they want to sell their product. This is one of their so-called "conversion" fluids.
Of course they want to turn a profit, this is a business and not a hobby... but how does that make the Platinum a product to avoid? Not trying to be argumentative but I'm certain there are conditions where Lubegard Platinum is suitable, is the OP's situation one of them..dunno. Sounds like that's a great conversation for he and Lubegard to have. They're pretty good at answering emails. I've gotten replies back the same day.
Of course you wont because they want to sell their product. This is one of their so-called "conversion" fluids.
Of course they want to turn a profit, this is a business and not a hobby... but how does that make the Platinum a product to avoid? Not trying to be argumentative but I'm certain there are conditions where Lubegard Platinum is suitable, is the OP's situation one of them..dunno. Sounds like that's a great conversation for he and Lubegard to have. They're pretty good at answering emails. I've gotten replies back the same day.
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the VW 09M transmission, which is a Aisin 6-speed transmission just beats up the VW Toyota Type-IV fluid. It's not a quick shifting transmission either. VW historically has issues with the Aisin transmission, starting with their "initial recommendation" of the claim of the Lifetime fluid, until they got excessive transmission failures below 100,000 miles. This caused VW to issue an Maintenance book update to recommend 50,000 mile intervals.
There is no external line for the transmission cooler, as it is built into the transmission for my car. Certain 09G's had an external transmission cooler, which you can do a flush if you wanted.
since it's just drain & refill, that leaves a good chunk of residual ATF in the torque converter that mixes with the new ATF.
There is also a scenario with the transmission that provides a harsh shift that I used to be able to replicate on a certain road back in Northern Jersey in the boonies, with 3/4 throttle.
I remember reading Platinum is supposed to be heavier duty than Red, but adds their so-called Synergol TMS additive.
The Aisin transmission is also notorious for valve body failures with the VW fluid as well, especially on the 09G version (less max torque).
Not to mention, my ECU is also reprogrammed to provide more HP & TQ (which the torque is near the upper limit of the 09M).
There is no external line for the transmission cooler, as it is built into the transmission for my car. Certain 09G's had an external transmission cooler, which you can do a flush if you wanted.
since it's just drain & refill, that leaves a good chunk of residual ATF in the torque converter that mixes with the new ATF.
There is also a scenario with the transmission that provides a harsh shift that I used to be able to replicate on a certain road back in Northern Jersey in the boonies, with 3/4 throttle.
I remember reading Platinum is supposed to be heavier duty than Red, but adds their so-called Synergol TMS additive.
The Aisin transmission is also notorious for valve body failures with the VW fluid as well, especially on the 09G version (less max torque).
Not to mention, my ECU is also reprogrammed to provide more HP & TQ (which the torque is near the upper limit of the 09M).
Originally Posted by Ponchinizo
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
I use the Lubegard Red, and add 1oz to each quart I put in after the drain and fill. Initially I added 1oz per quart for the whole transmission, now I do the 1oz. Per quart going in to maintain the same treatment ratio it had initially.
I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
MolaKule
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Originally Posted by pbm
...I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
Good Question:
I do not recommend adding LG Red to ANY ATF on a regular basis since finished ATF's have all the necessary chemistry contained therein.
If there is a suspected or confirmed internal varnishing problem it may remove varnish that slows solenoid activation and actuator (piston) movement.
It is not a magic pill for poorly maintained transmissions or for those with internal problems.
If your ATF shows oxidation and degradation within 20k miles then you have either a temperature, programming, or an overloading problem.
...I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
Good Question:
I do not recommend adding LG Red to ANY ATF on a regular basis since finished ATF's have all the necessary chemistry contained therein.
If there is a suspected or confirmed internal varnishing problem it may remove varnish that slows solenoid activation and actuator (piston) movement.
It is not a magic pill for poorly maintained transmissions or for those with internal problems.
If your ATF shows oxidation and degradation within 20k miles then you have either a temperature, programming, or an overloading problem.
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MolaKule
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Originally Posted by UG_Passat
...I remember reading Platinum is supposed to be heavier duty than Red, but adds their so-called Synergol TMS additive...
I don't know what, "Heavier Duty" would mean.
In Platinum they add friction modification (conversion) chemistry to their additive-LXE ester base, i.e., it's LubeGard Red with additional friction modification (conversion) chemistry.
...I remember reading Platinum is supposed to be heavier duty than Red, but adds their so-called Synergol TMS additive...
I don't know what, "Heavier Duty" would mean.
In Platinum they add friction modification (conversion) chemistry to their additive-LXE ester base, i.e., it's LubeGard Red with additional friction modification (conversion) chemistry.
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This is all good info!
MolaKule
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Originally Posted by Mad_Hatter
... but how does that make the Platinum a product to avoid? Not trying to be argumentative but I'm certain there are conditions where Lubegard Platinum is suitable, is the OP's situation one of them..dunno. Sounds like that's a great conversation for he and Lubegard to have. They're pretty good at answering emails. I've gotten replies back the same day.
Where would Platinum or any other conversion fluid be "suitable" with today's modern ATF's?
While you are 'conversing' with the ILI tech you might ask them to supply a chart which shows graphs of the original ATF's Mu(v) and another chart which shows how much this conversion fluid alters or modifies the resultant Mu(v).
Originally Posted by Molakule with Link to https://www.lubegard.com/products/platinum/
Enhances DEXRON® III, VI/MERCON® , V ATF to perform like a highly friction modified ATF, such as:
Honda® Genuine ATF
Toyota® Type T/TII/TIV
Mopar® ATF + 3® (7176)
Mopar® ATF +4® (9602)
And all other highly friction modified ATF's
The proper ATF fluid will have the correct friction modification chemistry as part of the DI package. Changing the final chemistry alters the required friction coefficient.
... but how does that make the Platinum a product to avoid? Not trying to be argumentative but I'm certain there are conditions where Lubegard Platinum is suitable, is the OP's situation one of them..dunno. Sounds like that's a great conversation for he and Lubegard to have. They're pretty good at answering emails. I've gotten replies back the same day.
Where would Platinum or any other conversion fluid be "suitable" with today's modern ATF's?
While you are 'conversing' with the ILI tech you might ask them to supply a chart which shows graphs of the original ATF's Mu(v) and another chart which shows how much this conversion fluid alters or modifies the resultant Mu(v).
Originally Posted by Molakule with Link to https://www.lubegard.com/products/platinum/
Enhances DEXRON® III, VI/MERCON® , V ATF to perform like a highly friction modified ATF, such as:
Honda® Genuine ATF
Toyota® Type T/TII/TIV
Mopar® ATF + 3® (7176)
Mopar® ATF +4® (9602)
And all other highly friction modified ATF's
The proper ATF fluid will have the correct friction modification chemistry as part of the DI package. Changing the final chemistry alters the required friction coefficient.
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Originally Posted by MolaKule
Originally Posted by pbm
...I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
Good Question:
I do not recommend adding LG Red to ANY ATF on a regular basis since finished ATF's since have all the necessary chemistry contained therein.
If there is a suspected or confirmed internal varnishing problem it may remove varnish that slows solenoid activation and actuator (piston) movement.
It is not a magic pill for poorly maintained transmissions or those with internal problems.
If your ATF shows oxidation and degradation within 20k miles then you have either a temperature, programming, or an overloading problem.
For my case this transmission is definitely not in tip top shape anymore, I'm hoping to get as much out of it as I can then replace when it fails. Rest of the car is in good shape so I'd hate to get rid of it. The pan got dropped at 150k and there was excessive metal contamination. I'm just hoping to keep it going as long as I can, I figure keeping temps down helps eek that last bit of life out of it. I may be wasting money using LG at all given the condition my trans is in.
If I'm doing something stupid here let me know, I browse and post here to learn. Thanks for what you do Mola, I learn a lot here at BITOG!
Originally Posted by pbm
...I do the same thing and haven't had an A/T issue since....
Mola: Do you consider adding LG Red beneficial to Mercon LV, Valvoline Maxlife ATF, Castrol IMV... etc...?
Good Question:
I do not recommend adding LG Red to ANY ATF on a regular basis since finished ATF's since have all the necessary chemistry contained therein.
If there is a suspected or confirmed internal varnishing problem it may remove varnish that slows solenoid activation and actuator (piston) movement.
It is not a magic pill for poorly maintained transmissions or those with internal problems.
If your ATF shows oxidation and degradation within 20k miles then you have either a temperature, programming, or an overloading problem.
For my case this transmission is definitely not in tip top shape anymore, I'm hoping to get as much out of it as I can then replace when it fails. Rest of the car is in good shape so I'd hate to get rid of it. The pan got dropped at 150k and there was excessive metal contamination. I'm just hoping to keep it going as long as I can, I figure keeping temps down helps eek that last bit of life out of it. I may be wasting money using LG at all given the condition my trans is in.
If I'm doing something stupid here let me know, I browse and post here to learn. Thanks for what you do Mola, I learn a lot here at BITOG!
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