What exactly did those entail?
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Find another one out of all the other oils they produce not just from many of them. They don't use it because there is no need for it with the introduction of Tri-nuclear moly (a MoDTC ) and other additives used today which is more effective in smaller amounts and not a solid.
Keep in mind MoS2 was popular in the 60's and 70's long before many of the advances in oil additives used in the formulations of today. Solids are fine in some grease but have no place in modern engine oils or engines.
Keep in mind MoS2 was popular in the 60's and 70's long before many of the advances in oil additives used in the formulations of today. Solids are fine in some grease but have no place in modern engine oils or engines.
How overpriced Valvoline White Bottle was and how the additive package looked no better if as good as most store brand conventionals. If you paid for a premium brand you were crazy if it wasn't Pennzoil.
Disclaimer: The only Valvoline or SOPUS product I have used on a regular basis was VR1 or Rotella.
Edit: I have no reason I wouldn't use the above brands PCMO on a regular basis. It's just worked out that way.
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I liken this discussion to cereal. Let’s take Fruit Loops or the store-brand (pick your grocery store) “Fruity-Os”. They are for all intensive purposes the same. They taste almost the same. They both have x/y/z ingredients. They both make a turd. Fruity-Os cost less. But in the end, I may like paying a few bucks more to have Fruit Loops and you may not give a flip and buy Fruity-Os. At some level, we all choose things based on different parameters and cost and quality are certainly top-tier in that discussion but not the end-all-be-all. Sometimes a name, a package design, or even sponsorship or where you buy it may sway a decisiuon and who the hell am I to judge how you spend your money? I wonder if cereal forums exist and folks argue about it? Now some will say that this is a bunk discussion b/c Fruity-Os are actually better by a number of technical measures so they are clearly both better and cheaper but none of that will change that I like how Fruit Loops taste better so that’s what I buy. Folks get to say I’m dumb, I get to enjoy by bowl of Fruit Loops.
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Apparently when that's all you got you go with it.
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Funny how some of these threads go. You'll have people put down RP because they say it has the same add pack as VWB,but then these same people are the ones who say "You can't see what's in an oil or judge an oil based on a $20 uoa"
The Honda S2000 had a recall, the engines with the first generation oil squirting jets for cooling the piston bottom where faulty.
In the service bulletin, honda clearly wrote the alle cars are filled with a speciel oil containing Moly from the factory for better break - in of the engine.
When doing the recall and upgrade the oil jets, the mechanics where adviesed to add a moly additive delivered by honda to all engines with less then 15.000 Km/ 10.000 Miles when refilling the engine with oil.
Must be a very Bad thing this Moly adtives and only meant for making money, for sure....
In the service bulletin, honda clearly wrote the alle cars are filled with a speciel oil containing Moly from the factory for better break - in of the engine.
When doing the recall and upgrade the oil jets, the mechanics where adviesed to add a moly additive delivered by honda to all engines with less then 15.000 Km/ 10.000 Miles when refilling the engine with oil.
Must be a very Bad thing this Moly adtives and only meant for making money, for sure....
I honestly think there's a forum for everything!
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The Honda S2000 had a recall, the engines with the first generation oil squirting jets for cooling the piston bottom where faulty.
In the service bulletin, honda clearly wrote the alle cars are filled with a speciel oil containing Moly from the factory for better break - in of the engine.
When doing the recall and upgrade the oil jets, the mechanics where adviesed to add a moly additive delivered by honda to all engines with less then 15.000 Km/ 10.000 Miles when refilling the engine with oil.
Must be a very Bad thing this Moly adtives and only meant for making money, for sure....
What it was IIRC was for them to coat the bearing half shells with molykote Gn, a lot of engines did this as an assembly lube to prevent a dry start. It stayed in the oil for a short time after the first OCI and was of no real benefit after the first start. inc on the other hand does help prevent wear and helps prevent the cam from pitting in the first 20 or so minutes of running.
I never saw a Honda manual or TSB spec a liquid MoS2 additive after doing engine work. MoS2 had some benefit decades ago when the oils were very basic formulations and would be not acceptable today for modern engines.
Trust me, i read it. It was the orignal Honda service bulletin as PDF.
It was on a Honda page in England that is down meanhwille. https://www.htune.global/
It was on a Honda page in England that is down meanhwille. https://www.htune.global/
Okay I never saw it but if that is what it says that is what it says. I know the paste was use used by Honda on some of the engines during service, there may have been some reason they couldn't use it on that particular engine as it isn't a split case.
Anyway if I understand this correctly they don't say to use it continually just after the repair correct? This the advent of modern moly formulas today I just don't see any benefit of running a solid in modern engine oil.
I was a fan of MoS2 at one time back in the early 80's, it seemed to quieten the old school diesels quite a bit but as time went on and oils improved it made less and less difference.
Anyway if I understand this correctly they don't say to use it continually just after the repair correct? This the advent of modern moly formulas today I just don't see any benefit of running a solid in modern engine oil.
I was a fan of MoS2 at one time back in the early 80's, it seemed to quieten the old school diesels quite a bit but as time went on and oils improved it made less and less difference.
Trav, belive me. I read this bulletin and i was really stunned by myself, because to me it was also very unlikely that a manufacterer used MoS2 in the year 2002. The recall and service bulletin was only done in Europe, not in the US. Some early S2000 Engines where damagegd on the Autobahn....
I try to look around for the bulletin again!
Yes, they wrote cleraly in the bulletin that the MoS2 was not meant to be used continually , only for the first 10.000 miles / 15.000 km = The first regular oil change service.
If a car with more than 10.000 miles / 15.000 km had the recall done, the mechanics should not use the MoS2 additive, just refill it with oil when done.
if you think about it, the S2000 Engine with is extremly high piston speed is maybe the one Exception where use of MoS2 maybe(!) makes sense for break-in. And, generally sepaking, the Japanese car makers are fans of MoS2, to my limited konwledge.
I try to look around for the bulletin again!
Yes, they wrote cleraly in the bulletin that the MoS2 was not meant to be used continually , only for the first 10.000 miles / 15.000 km = The first regular oil change service.
If a car with more than 10.000 miles / 15.000 km had the recall done, the mechanics should not use the MoS2 additive, just refill it with oil when done.
if you think about it, the S2000 Engine with is extremly high piston speed is maybe the one Exception where use of MoS2 maybe(!) makes sense for break-in. And, generally sepaking, the Japanese car makers are fans of MoS2, to my limited konwledge.
So what makes LiquiMoly so average as compared to Pennzoil Platinum, Castrol Synthetic? I understand being on par or better than M1 and the excess Fe that shows.
What's the cost of a 1L bottle or 5L jug in Germany? I personally don't care what oil I use as long as it's decent quality and/or meets the specs, but as mentioned a few times here, LM just isn't worth the import premium when other oils are on par or better. Same goes for Motul, Total, Fuchs, etc... I won't pay 40-45 CAD a 5L jug when I can get motomaster (rebranded shell) or castrol 5L jugs for 30ish bucks
As for their additives, well I used their oil saver on my very leaky 02 Jetta tdi and absolutely no change, so don't know what to say there, other then maybe it leaks so much, no oil leak additive will help. I also used their MoS2 and from the only thing that I can quantify without data, that being engine noise, it did absolutely nothing... did it do something internally? Maybe, but I have no way of knowing that, so it's more of a feel good thing for me at this point
I remember moly additives became popular during the gasoline shortages of the 70’s. Everyone was trying anything to boost fuel economy on their big V8s here in the States. I’m not sure it had any effect other than removing weight from their wallets.
Magnets on the fuel line just before the carburetor was another gimmick.
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Amusingly, of that list, Mobil, particularly in the EP lineup, likely uses the most expensive base oil blend. Also, the higher iron was never shown to be an actual wear issue and may have just been chemical chelation. At this point, it no longer seems to be an artifact however.
Its possible since Honda had a rash of blown engines on their bikes in the 90's that saw high speed Autobahn use. My new 93 Fireblade let go on the 3 between Frankfurt/ Köln after running 400Km almost wide open just stopping for fuel.
Honda in their infinite wisdom spec'd the same oil as rest of world and ended up with lots of blown engines. They did revise the oil spec to a heavier oil and that cured it.
I ended up running Castrol RS 10w60 in that, and the CBR1000 and the CBR1100XX that came later.
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