To me they’d need to add some kinda modifier like the word with to give them that lingual wiggle room. “These oils are 100% fully synthetic with Group 4 and Group 5 lubricants” It’s synthetic with A and B, we’re just not telling you it’s mostly C.
Liquimoly vs motul
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TiGeo
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Yeah even if you don't do the LRG it's still really not a big spend for a complete kit delivered without having to go to the store.
I honestly bought it since I needed a new drain plug as the one previously installed wouldn't leak no matter what, even though it was one from the dealer last oil change. No more oil on my driveway, so there's that
I stand corrected.
I must have been thinking of the 300V series and/or some mention of Motul being a group IV/V oil.
Either way I hope my engine doesn't blow up now (this is 100% sarcastic, I am not at all bothered by being corrected)
I prefer Supertech
TiGeo
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For a performance car such as the OPs? I like ST too...for my older beaters...
I don't think I would pay double or anything for either one over the usuals but I do use Motul because LL-01FE is kind of a hard spec to find and I can get it through work for a much better price than retail. LM makes a competing product to the Motul, I would happily use either but if I had to choose it would be Motul.
Hyundai is the Supertech of car brands. Just change it often. We are approaching 200k on a TGDI Nissan Nismo "performance", no boutique oil just synthetic changed before 5k miles.
THIS.
Motul tried to sell their oils as "Fullsynthetik" here in germny. Motul was then sued in Germany by a Competitor and lost at Court. After that, they where forced to re-labeling all their Products in germany. "Ester core" is the biggest marketing Bul.........
Motul oils are Group III and dosent contain Ester. Look at all the VOAs around, also in the german and russian oil Forums.
But everybody here at Bitog praises Motul for being fullsynthetik with ester but blames LM for playing marketing games. In reality, LM was allways honest about the content of their oils.
This is really crazy!
don't say that with our non official Liquimoly rep @TiGeo. I like the 300V series of Motul and consider Liquimoly additives a BG German alternative. Like the Ceratec and Motor Oil Saver, and Oil Flush but like the BG CVT 303 and EPR and BG44k
300V is good though, and I suspect if LM was not a German company they would be less transparent as well. Motul PDS are honest though, the 8100 X clean etc. datasheets do not claim anything beyond Group III. They also don’t sell questionable additives. Ravenol or Rowe would be my choice of the German brands.
Looks like the Motul 300 Series also dont contain Group IV / V. As mentioned, use google translateor and dig through the german or russian oil forums.
I use Rowe and Liqui Moly without the slightest hesitation, i wouldnt touch Motul and Ravenol.
Ravenol had some UOAs / VOAs where it either sheard in no time or the formulation was changed. The heavily advertised tungsten was missing...
But again, continue to blame LM here on Bitog, guys...
I use Rowe and Liqui Moly without the slightest hesitation, i wouldnt touch Motul and Ravenol.
Ravenol had some UOAs / VOAs where it either sheard in no time or the formulation was changed. The heavily advertised tungsten was missing...
But again, continue to blame LM here on Bitog, guys...
Question though: why pay extra for an oil to import it from France or Germany when there’s absolutely zero benefit to do so, even over stuff that Mobil puts on every Walmart shelf?
Looks like the Motul 300 Series also dont contain Group IV / V. As mentioned, use google translateor and dig through the german or russian oil forums.
I use Rowe and Liqui Moly without the slightest hesitation, i wouldnt touch Motul and Ravenol.
Ravenol had some UOAs / VOAs where it either sheard in no time or the formulation was changed. The heavily advertised tungsten was missing...
But again, continue to blame LM here on Bitog, guys...
Need to be over 50-70% real synthetic to be called synthetic oil in Germany, doesnt mean there isn't any at all.
What test did they use to "not find" any tungsten... ?
4WD
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Are those LM and Motul prices representative for all of US?
If so you are a buffoon buying anyone of them. Don't tell Tigeo, shhh
I think it's minimum 70%
that's the reason, they just hate, haters gonna hate.
70-80% If i remember correctly.
The test? Simply a VOA. The result casued quite a stirr in the german oil forum.
One of the dealers asked Ravenol what´s going on and Ravenol confessed that they had problems in the additive supply chain and therefore produced a batch without the Tungsten, but with a better additive package.
If this was smart or stupid from Ravenol is up to everyones own judgement.
Make a account there and ask them, they are helpfull and most of them have better skills in english as i:
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Meanhwhille in Germany.... Saturday night, you are late for the club, hit the Autobahn. For the next 10 minutes you see 7.000 RPM.
Because i dont want to stress the engine to much, i set my own private speedlimit at 7.000 RPM in 6. Gear.
"Oh no, according to Bitog, my engine must explode, because it is not filled with the holy raceworthy porsche proven Mobil 1 0w-40!"
LM 5w-40 full Synth is the Nr. 1 Oil here in Germany in the Honda S2000 Community, the engines last the abuse here at Nurburgring and Autobahn with this oil in it. Go figure!
Because i dont want to stress the engine to much, i set my own private speedlimit at 7.000 RPM in 6. Gear.
"Oh no, according to Bitog, my engine must explode, because it is not filled with the holy raceworthy porsche proven Mobil 1 0w-40!"
LM 5w-40 full Synth is the Nr. 1 Oil here in Germany in the Honda S2000 Community, the engines last the abuse here at Nurburgring and Autobahn with this oil in it. Go figure!
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