Lake speed Jr inside Valvoline R&D lab to investigate their restore and protect

[cheesepuffs2]

Anyway, hats off to Valvoline/Roger/Lake for doing this video. It's been a hot topic of discussion since it was revealed. Now we know it's not all marketing.

You know it's not marketing after being told hyperbolic "facts" in what amounts to a giant commercial for the product?

 

[OVERKILL]

I just noticed this screen shot which was emphasizing his point about how an oil looks in a VOA means little.

Red Line has much more AW additives but the Driven Oil outperformed it.

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Weird, the GP1 has very similar AW chemistry to the full-SAPS Euro additive package, which has no limit on phosphorous, but the oils don't end up with huge amounts of it

 

[burbguy82]

I recently bought some in 5w30 flavor, and am going to give it a shot.

 

[4WD]

You know it's not marketing after being told hyperbolic "facts" in what amounts to a giant commercial for the product?

How about you just don’t buy it ? - you and about 3 others don’t know anymore about it than anyone else … But just feel smug that you are not getting suckered …

 

[4WD]

Weird, the GP1 has very similar AW chemistry to the full-SAPS Euro additive package, which has no limit on phosphorous, but the oils don't end up with huge amounts of it

It would end up like skim stock in that flat tappet soup …

 

[OVERKILL]

A guess as to what it could be?

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What are Distillates (petroleum), hydrotreated light naphthenic? They are high quality naphthenic base oils with a low pour point, low viscosity index and highsolvency properties.

Listen to 9:50 to 11:00.

These are bases that are primarily used for like metal working, transformers, solvents...etc. not engine oils.

Examples:

I wouldn't expect them to have the stability or oxidation resistance to work properly in engine oils.

 

[buster]

These are bases that are primarily used for like metal working, transformers, solvents...etc. not engine oils.

Examples:
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I wouldn't expect them to have the stability or oxidation resistance to work properly in engine oils.

Right. It was suggested by someone that worked on the original as a possible synthesized version of what it could be. But it's not definitive. Just a complete guess.

 

[4WD]

Good video & is exactly what us bitog's need to see to make our own judgement call on this product. Don't really have any plans to run it myself due to the cost and approvals. Wonder if they'll sell these in quart size but I doubt it.


Unfortunately, this scheme is all too common for product "comparisons" as you already know. If your product was great why intend to "fool" your buyers w/bad lighting right.

I got quarts during the combo sale when they ran out of jugs …
Same $/quart as jugs …

 

[OVERKILL]

Right. It was suggested by someone that worked on the original as a possible synthesized version of what it could be. But it's not definitive. Just a complete guess.

I'm leaning toward it being AN's.

 

[Jetronic]

Not sure how that would work on a DI engine.

Although, maybe someone could invent an additive designed to boil off out of the oil into the PCV system and work on DI valve carbon.

The same way the valves get dirty in the same place. I believe most of it is from flow reversion

 

[fantastic]

I got quarts during the combo sale when they ran out of jugs …
Same $/quart as jugs …

Well all be darn... Here it is after I did a search. Thanks!
https://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-Re...msclkid=28c4622ee89111539e03047d8a4ddbc4&th=1

 

[4WD]

Right. It was suggested by someone that worked on the original as a possible synthesized version of what it could be. But it's not definitive. Just a complete guess.

He mentioned the lab work in India - and that the cleaning actually caught them flat footed … There have been things repurposed before …

 

[doublebase]

This must be Satire,

Within minutes upon startup we shut it down, the vehicle sat in the bay overnight - the next morning I went to show someone how sludged up and filthy it was under the fill cap, and…it looked completely different. I’d say 75% of the garbage that was stuck to that cap was already gone…under the valve cover looked like it had been pressure washed and nearing “clean” levels. I was completely stunned.

I probably should have mentioned that “under the valve cover” was just a visual one inch view with the oil fill cap removed. But it did look completely different. The bottom of the cap looked completely different, inside looked totally different from the day before. It’s not supposed to happen, but it did. It looked the new oil mixed with that sludge buildup and carried it off to the bottom of the engine, most likely where it would soon clog the oil pickup tube. Now, if I pulled the valve cover perhaps there would be no change, no idea.

 

[SammyChevelleTypeS3]

Do you guys really see this as anything but a thinly veiled ad?

Edit: I'm in the middle of watching it now. Valvoline R&D is claiming that they are the only PCMO company that has their own engine test lab. Do we have anybody here who can credibly dispute that? I find it mighty hard to believe that XOM or Shell doesn't have their own engine test lab too.

Yes, that is first reaction. But then if we look at the actions of near every company today.... Selling off divisions, farming out once in house work, contracting employees to pay less wages and zero benefits, to almost everything they can except for the boys in management. Does it sound more possible? Probably.

 

[Brian123]

Well all be darn... Here it is after I did a search. Thanks!
https://www.amazon.com/Valvoline-Re...msclkid=28c4622ee89111539e03047d8a4ddbc4&th=1

Dwayne LaGrou
5.0 out of 5 stars After only a few weeks I opened the oil cap on the valve cover and the inside was ALREADY CLEANER!
Reviewed in the United States on February 10, 2024
Configuration: 5W-30Size: 5 QTVerified Purchase
I had just heard about the new Valvoline Restore & Protect Full Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil when I was on the Motortrend website and figured my 2013 GMC Adacia with 198000 miles could really benefit from something that would clean the engine from the INSIDE, So I changed my oil and filled it up with it to try it out. After inly a few weeks I took the oil fill cap off the valve cover and looked inside and was totally surprised how much cleaner it was already. It was chocolate colored before and it's a light tan inside now.
WOW!!! I'm going to use this on ALL my vehicles from now on.
2-Thumbs WAY up!!

Not a bad Testimonial, I wish Valvoline would also come out with a 10W-30 Version of this Restore and Protect.

 

[himemsys]

Dwayne LaGrou
5.0 out of 5 stars After only a few weeks I opened the oil cap on the valve cover and the inside was ALREADY CLEANER!
Reviewed in the United States on February 10, 2024
Configuration: 5W-30Size: 5 QTVerified Purchase
I had just heard about the new Valvoline Restore & Protect Full Synthetic 5W-30 Motor Oil when I was on the Motortrend website and figured my 2013 GMC Adacia with 198000 miles could really benefit from something that would clean the engine from the INSIDE, So I changed my oil and filled it up with it to try it out. After inly a few weeks I took the oil fill cap off the valve cover and looked inside and was totally surprised how much cleaner it was already. It was chocolate colored before and it's a light tan inside now.
WOW!!! I'm going to use this on ALL my vehicles from now on.
2-Thumbs WAY up!!

Not a bad Testimonial, I wish Valvoline would also come out with a 10W-30 Version of this Restore and Protect.

It's hard to get a good view through the fill cap. I'd love for someone to do some before pics on a high mileage engine with the valve cover off, then do one after one OCI, and another after a 2nd OCI, and one after a 3rd OCI. I'd do it on my 03 Civic, but it's beyond my capabilities right now, plus I don't drive enough miles. It would probably take 2 years for me to complete such a test even if I was capable. I'm sure someone will come along at some point and do something like this.

 

[Mewbs]

The piston skirts look better with the R&P than what the BG photos show. In the BG piston photos, the skirts still have the same level of varnish. Notice the R&P photos. Also, look at how they jacked up the lighting on the BG second photos. (look at the white/black contrast ratio). In the Valvoline shot, it's two pistons from the same engine on the same table under the same light.

Comparison isnt apples to apples since we are talking 2 different products use case here. Regardless to a degree both products clean ring deposits, but we know running an oil that cleans during the oil service life as evidenced by Valvoline and Amsoil appears to be more beneficial over a 20 minute idle solvent flush in achieving overall cleanliness.

I personally still do annual engine flushes on my vehicle as part of maintenance routine before i discovered this forum and HPL oils.

 

[Analog-1]

I have put about 700 miles on this oil R&P so far no issues runs buttery smooth. As far a cleaning my R18 was already clean as can be before the R&P. I plan to run this till 3000 miles and drain it and see what it looks like. Honestly i see no difference than any other syn oil i have tried Castrol EP, Valvoline EP or Mobile 1 EP. I did notice a louder valve train when i tried Penzoil Platinum last year it also looked like water when i drained it. Won't be using that again at least in my Honda.

 

[buster]

Could be a chemistry synthesized from naphthenics. I don't know much about naphthenics. There are two good videos on Lubrication Explained about them. In one they mentioned the incredible solvency. In the LSJ video they said they work with US Universities and come up with theoretical molecules. They then send the idea to Mumbia and they synthesize it. Either way it doesn't matter if it works. Pretty cool.

 

[scotty.honda.dog]

I have put about 700 miles on this oil R&P so far no issues runs buttery smooth. As far a cleaning my R18 was already clean as can be before the R&P. I plan to run this till 3000 miles and drain it and see what it looks like. Honestly i see no difference than any other syn oil i have tried Castrol EP, Valvoline EP or Mobile 1 EP. I did notice a louder valve train when i tried Penzoil Platinum last year it also looked like water when i drained it. Won't be using that again at least in my Honda.

It would be interesting to see what your oil filter looks like after using the R&P, all the removed stuff goes somewhere. That is discussed on the video when they talked about the older Restore product. They had to create a product that was “safe” for general use.

The video and product is interesting to me, especially for some high mileage Honda V6s I maintain that are subject to ring issues due to VCM. I just want to let it get some usage by others, I dont want to be an “early adopter”. For sure I would use a high dirt capacity oil filter with it.