Lake speed Jr inside Valvoline R&D lab to investigate their restore and protect

[4WD]

I don't know if I missed this in the video, but I wonder how it performs in wear and fuel efficiency compared to one of their other catalog
'non-cleaning' products; in other words, is the EP performance somehow compromised, is certain wear now near the higher margin?

I must rightly assume r&p passes API and ILSAC test standards to earn certification, but where does it not excel?

Yeah - it’s SP but not Dexos … Not sure they pursued that considering they might target out of warranty vehicles where folks might pay less attention to D1.3 etc …

 

[Nessism1]

If I were a Hyundai or Kia owner, I'd buy this oil!

 

[ATex7239]

Exactly.

Of course marketing is involved, how do you think people sell things LMAO. Wait they're selling this oil for money? No way.

Same ridiculous hate the YouTubers get on here. Oh look, someone trying to make money, they must automatically be lying through their teeth. But it is perfectly acceptable when I make money. That’s different. I’m different. But everyone else… that’s a big negative ghostrider, the pattern is full.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Or were suffering other symptoms of blow-by …

Stuck rings can certainly cause excessive blow-by because stuck rings can't expand against the cylinder wall like they are suppose to.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Yeah - it’s SP but not Dexos …

On a side note, most high mileage formulated oils are also not dexos approved.

 

[himemsys]

On a side note, most high mileage formulated oils are also not dexos approved.

Last I checked, Mobil1 (regular synthetic HM, not EP HM), Castrol, Quaker State and Supertech all have D1G3 certs on their HM oils. That leaves only Pennzoil and Valvoline as the major players without D1G3 on a high mileage product.

 

[nascarnation]

If I were a Hyundai or Kia owner, I'd buy this oil!

Are their highly publicized durability issues related to sludging, or lube related, or something else? I've never really seen a definitive answer to what the real root causes(s) are. Looking at teardown pics they seem to be pretty conventionally designed DOHC 4 bangers so it must be the old "devil is in the details" explanation.

 

[hemioiler]

There is an individual on another forum that was the lead engineer at Cummings R&D that England lead. He was the lead scientist for Cummins Premium Blue Restore. The ISX 15L ( not ISB ) engine was the test engine and the requirement was to remove as close to 100% of deposits on high mileage HD diesel engines. This is where the original Restore came from and it was a lot of ester. This new oil is not using base oils to achieve the cleaning, which they claim goes beyond what polar esters can do as it's more of a continual clean. Most engine high end oil formulas Amsoil, HPL, RL etc are historically keep clean. Not deep clean. (piston deposits vs sludge) I would guess that HPL/Amsoil SS would have a similar ability, but I have no reason to believe that one way or the other. Whether Valvoline is technically a blender or not is irrelevant IMO. They can run the engine tests in-house. Good enough. Many can't. They don't just slap their label on an existing add pack already tested by the additive company. This was developed by Valvoline, created by Valvoline and tested in-house by Valvoline.

HPL is definitely deep clean. They have a dedicated cleaning product which is meant to be used with other oils to slowly clean and not overwhelm the filter. All their main oils are even better at cleaning than the actual cleaning product but not suggested to be used in a dirty engine right away because they would then clean too fast.

Now add on the quality base stock which has excellent anti wear and long drain intervals, and/or superior cold start for arctic winters, plus the top quality vii's which wont shear down, its the complete and perfect package; you just need to pay a little more than off the shelf.

 

[Glenda W.]

There is an individual on another forum that was the lead engineer at Cummings R&D that England lead. He was the lead scientist for Cummins Premium Blue Restore. The ISX 15L ( not ISB ) engine was the test engine and the requirement was to remove as close to 100% of deposits on high mileage HD diesel engines. This is where the original Restore came from and it was a lot of ester. This new oil is not using base oils to achieve the cleaning, which they claim goes beyond what polar esters can do as it's more of a continual clean. Most engine high end oil formulas Amsoil, HPL, RL etc are historically keep clean. Not deep clean. (piston deposits vs sludge) I would guess that HPL/Amsoil SS would have a similar ability, but I have no reason to believe that one way or the other. Whether Valvoline is technically a blender or not is irrelevant IMO. They can run the engine tests in-house. Good enough. Many can't. They don't just slap their label on an existing add pack already tested by the additive company. This was developed by Valvoline, created by Valvoline and tested in-house by Valvoline.

I have Amsoil SS 9k miles into a 10k run. So in 1k I’ll be doing a c&p of an OG Titanium. Very curious if any signs of cleaning will be found. Car has had 5k intervals since new for the last 100k miles on mostly Mobil 1 and Valvoline EP. Oil consumption has been rising since 60k.

 

[Brian123]

I have Amsoil SS 9k miles into a 10k run. So in 1k I’ll be doing a c&p of an OG Titanium. Very curious if any signs of cleaning will be found. Car has had 5k intervals since new for the last 100k miles on mostly Mobil 1 and Valvoline EP. Oil consumption has been rising since 60k.

Give Valvoline Restore and Protect a try, and if this oil does not work after 4 oil changes, then give 1 of the HPL Oil's a shot.

 

[Glenda W.]

Give Valvoline Restore and Protect a try, and if this oil does not work after 4 oil changes, then give 1 of the HPL Oil's a shot.

That’s the plan. I must say consumption has started improving with the SS after 6k into this run.

 

[4WD]

HPL is definitely deep clean. They have a dedicated cleaning product which is meant to be used with other oils to slowly clean and not overwhelm the filter. All their main oils are even better at cleaning than the actual cleaning product but not suggested to be used in a dirty engine right away because they would then clean too fast.

Now add on the quality base stock which has excellent anti wear and long drain intervals, and/or superior cold start for arctic winters, plus the top quality vii's which wont shear down, its the complete and perfect package; you just need to pay a little more than off the shelf.

It’s not a little more and many here dump it early. When I first joined here - the Mods would kick you where it hurt for doing that …

 

[hemioiler]

It’s not a little more and many here dump it early. When I first joined here - the Mods would kick you where it hurt for doing that …

PCMO is what, $11.70/qt?
Premium is $14.15/qt.

Valvoline R&P is 11.99/qt on the valvoline website, perhaps you can find it cheaper.

You can comfortably run PCMO/Premium at longer intervals than most oils though I don't know if the OCI has been discussed here for VR&P.

In any case, engine oil is cheap compared to the cost of the car, the gas you put in it, the extra money (difference in cost) you spend on HPL vs other oils is literally peanuts since you do it once/twice a year max. It really is cheap.

If your car is worth $5000 then I can see one not spending money on HPL, but $20k and above with the intention of keeping it around? It's a no brainer IMHO.

 

[Glenda W.]

PCMO is what, $11.70/qt?
Premium is $14.15/qt.

Valvoline R&P is 11.99/qt on the valvoline website, perhaps you can find it cheaper.

You can comfortably run PCMO/Premium at longer intervals than most oils though I don't know if the OCI has been discussed here for VR&P.

In any case, engine oil is cheap compared to the cost of the car, the gas you put in it, the extra money (difference in cost) you spend on HPL vs other oils is literally peanuts since you do it once/twice a year max. It really is cheap.

If your car is worth $5000 then I can see one not spending money on HPL, but $20k and above with the intention of keeping it around? It's a no brainer IMHO.

Wally has R&P 5qt jug for 29.99 now. Seems responsible if it delivers.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Valvoline R&P is 11.99/qt on the valvoline website, perhaps you can find it cheaper.

Walmart, 5-qt jug for $29.97 ($5.99/qt). ^^^ Beat me to it by a minute, lol.

 

[4WD]

PCMO is what, $11.70/qt?
Premium is $14.15/qt.

Valvoline R&P is 11.99/qt on the valvoline website, perhaps you can find it cheaper.

You can comfortably run PCMO/Premium at longer intervals than most oils though I don't know if the OCI has been discussed here for VR&P.

In any case, engine oil is cheap compared to the cost of the car, the gas you put in it, the extra money (difference in cost) you spend on HPL vs other oils is literally peanuts since you do it once/twice a year max. It really is cheap.

If your car is worth $5000 then I can see one not spending money on HPL, but $20k and above with the intention of keeping it around? It's a no brainer IMHO.

I passed over Mobil 1 0W40 Super Car for $5/quart today …
Others a month ago - I seldom pay full price …
You see cheap cars in my signature … ?
Truth is people here talk about how long you can run HPL with low percentages running it past what Tig has done 40 years …

 

[hemioiler]

Walmart, 5-qt jug for $29.97 ($5.99/qt).

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I get it, R&P is cheaper. But again lets look at the actual cost. Should an extra $20 to $30 per year influence your oil choice when something like HPL offers so much for that price?

 

[alcyon]

Why when you can get from WM for $30 and not have to pay shipping?

I wont get them from walmart coz I am not in the US. R.A shipping cost is the cheapest. R.A is my only choice.

 

[hemioiler]

I passed over Mobil 1 0W40 Super Car for $5/quart today …
Others a month ago - I seldom pay full price …
You see cheap cars in my signature … ?
Truth is people here talk about how long you can run HPL with low percentages running it past what Tig has done 40 years …

I don't know who tig is so can't answer that.

As for your cars, they'd be all getting HPL if they were mine and it wouldn't even be a 2 second decision. I'd call them up when they have a sale, ship it in bulk, be done with it.

I put on 20,000 kms a year. What it costs me to run HPL in my truck per year over and above a cheaper oil, is like 2 weeks of gas money (and yes, its a v8 which gets 91 octane year round). It's all about keeping it in perspective.

 

[Patman]

I don't know who tig is so can't answer that.

He's a long time member of this forum who has been doing 10,000 mile intervals with Mobil 1 for 40 years now with absolute success. No engine problems and multiple cars going over 300,000 miles.