Is Toyota 0W-20 SN made in heaven?

[Gokhan]

Fully agreed, Solarent. It's the final blended oil that matters. Individual ingredients don't necessarily indicate the final performance, as how they interact together is more important.

Equally importantly, an oil that works for one engine may not work for another. In my case I had good results with PP 5W-30, OK results with Delvac 15W-40, OK but not-so-good results with PYB 5W-20. TGMO 0W-20 SN seems to be giving great results in my application so far. I'll report on the long-term MPG and post UOAs as well in the coming months.

We can't also dismiss the benefits of synthetics solely on the fact that mineral oils also pass the same GF-5 tests. Nevertheless, this is only so because that's how the tests are planned beforehand -- if they had made the test criteria stricter, mineral oils would fail in many areas while quality synthetics would still pass. Synthetics last longer and perform more uniformly throughout the OCI and should be beneficial in many areas.

 

[Solarent]

I'm glad we agree. I would also add that not all synthetic finished oils are equal. A well formulated mineral oil will outperform a poorly formulated synthetic even in areas where the synthetic base should give the advantage. Fortunately for the consumers, there aren't many of those (poorly made synthetics) available in most developed countries.

I also agree about an oil that works in one engine may not work for another. In fact two of the same model engines that operate in drastically different environments or operating conditions may require different oils.

As automotive engineers continue to develop new technologies I expect that the testing will become stricter. For now the market seems to be content allowing the benefits of synthetics to be competitive advantage between marketers. Could you imagine though what would happen to the prices if the demand for synthetics increased even beyond what it is today, that change will need to be gradual in order to not put undo pressure on supply sources and cause dramatic pricing increases to the consumer.

 

[Vstrom]

Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: Vstrom
I just ordered 5 gallons of Toyota 0w-20 for $3.59 per quart.

It doesn't sound right. Even the SM version cost more to the dealers. Are you sure you're not getting 5W-20?

Also, what do you mean by 5 gallons? There are no gallon bottles and they probably wouldn't sell it to you in bulk. You can only buy it as 20 quarts. The lowest cost to the dealers of the SM quart bottle was $3.78 for 48 cases minimum. So, it doesn't sound right when you say you will get 20 bottles for $3.59, much less than what it costs to the dealers.


I did not say I would get 20 bottles. I ordered 5 gallons and there most certainly are gallon jugs.
Toyota part number 00279-0W201
Google it.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: Vstrom
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: Vstrom
I just ordered 5 gallons of Toyota 0w-20 for $3.59 per quart.

It doesn't sound right. Even the SM version cost more to the dealers. Are you sure you're not getting 5W-20?

Also, what do you mean by 5 gallons? There are no gallon bottles and they probably wouldn't sell it to you in bulk. You can only buy it as 20 quarts. The lowest cost to the dealers of the SM quart bottle was $3.78 for 48 cases minimum. So, it doesn't sound right when you say you will get 20 bottles for $3.59, much less than what it costs to the dealers.


I did not say I would get 20 bottles. I ordered 5 gallons and there most certainly are gallon jugs.
Toyota part number 00279-0W201
Google it.

You won't find much information by Google'ing it.

That part no. is showing as "bulk oil" in Toyota's system.

Also, check this bulletin out, which shows how the TGMO 0W-20 is available in bulk and bottles.

I don't think they have 1-gallon bottles but it's bulk oil measured in gallons. Let me know how this turns out. If they actually sell 1-gallon bottles, I would get it next time. But I think it's referring to bulk-oil distribution. I would be happy if they have 1-gallon bottles though.

 

[chiks]

Originally Posted By: Vstrom
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: Vstrom
I just ordered 5 gallons of Toyota 0w-20 for $3.59 per quart.

It doesn't sound right. Even the SM version cost more to the dealers. Are you sure you're not getting 5W-20?

Also, what do you mean by 5 gallons? There are no gallon bottles and they probably wouldn't sell it to you in bulk. You can only buy it as 20 quarts. The lowest cost to the dealers of the SM quart bottle was $3.78 for 48 cases minimum. So, it doesn't sound right when you say you will get 20 bottles for $3.59, much less than what it costs to the dealers.


I did not say I would get 20 bottles. I ordered 5 gallons and there most certainly are gallon jugs.
Toyota part number 00279-0W201
Google it.


I think this is the one made by Idemitsu in Japan and used as factory fill. But I could wrong.

 

[chiks]

Here it is
http://www.oilchangekits.com/lubricants/idemitsu-full-synthetic-0w-20-1-gallon.html

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: chiks
Originally Posted By: Vstrom
Originally Posted By: Gokhan
Originally Posted By: Vstrom
I just ordered 5 gallons of Toyota 0w-20 for $3.59 per quart.

It doesn't sound right. Even the SM version cost more to the dealers. Are you sure you're not getting 5W-20?

Also, what do you mean by 5 gallons? There are no gallon bottles and they probably wouldn't sell it to you in bulk. You can only buy it as 20 quarts. The lowest cost to the dealers of the SM quart bottle was $3.78 for 48 cases minimum. So, it doesn't sound right when you say you will get 20 bottles for $3.59, much less than what it costs to the dealers.


I did not say I would get 20 bottles. I ordered 5 gallons and there most certainly are gallon jugs.
Toyota part number 00279-0W201
Google it.


I think this is the one made by Idemitsu in Japan and used as factory fill. But I could wrong.

No, as I said, it's "ExxonMobil bulk oil." It's made by ExxonMobil. Read the reference (Toyota bulletin) I posted above. Japanese TGMO has different part nos.

Toyota engines made in US are filled in the engine factory with ExxonMobil TGMO and Toyota engines made in Japan are naturally filled in the engine factory with Japanese TGMO.

 

[Gokhan]

By the way, enjoy the Toyota 0W-20 SN MSDS:

TGMO 0W-20 SN quart MSDS
TGMO 0W-20 SN MSDS

 

[ottotheclown]

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...nt=3&page=1 Check this out boy what was is now changed!!

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: ottotheclown
http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...nt=3&page=1 Check this out boy what was is now changed!!

If you look at it carefully, it's a VOA, not a UOA. I wasn't satisfied with its actual performance after I had it for more than 5,000 miles. I also did a UOA on it. It was OK but I am sure I will see an improvement with the Toyota 0W-20 SN. I am also seeing a lot of fuel-economy improvement over PYB 5W-20 with the Toyota 0W-20 SN.

 

[cp3]

We can get TGMO 0w20 up here in 5 liter jugs. I believe pics have been posted. Would be odd for it to be here and not in the States...

 

[Gokhan]

I don't even know if TGMO 0W-20 SN sold in Canada is made by ExxonMobil in US. It could be made by Esso in Canada or made by a Japanese blender in Japan; therefore, it would be a rather different blend with a different performance than the US-made one.

I don't think the US-made one is sold in anything other than quart bottles, drums, or bulk. If you can buy that 00279-0W201 part number in gallon bottles, let me know. But my guess is that the ExxonMobil truck will show up with a drum and a pump at your door to deliver bulk oil and get mad at you when it finds out that you are not a shop. (Or the far more likely scenario would be the order won't go through at all.

)

 

[Vstrom]

Why do you think the order would not go through? There are a number of dealers that offer that part number at a very reasonable price.

BTW there is no way ANY oil truck would ever deliver for a 5 gallon purchase.

There is a catch though, the dealer I ordered from contacted me and says they do not have the capability to ship the oil as it is considered a hazardous material. There are other dealers that will ship it with the hazmat fee added, which unfortunately makes it not worth buying.
I have to wonder what is in it that is hazardous, other oils are shipped all the time. They also said they couldn't ship the WS ATF anymore either, glad I bought 2 cases of it when I could.

I have a request in to a local dealer to price it for me. We'll see what they come up with.

Even at list price, which is around $20 it is a good deal.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: Vstrom
Why do you think the order would not go through? There are a number of dealers that offer that part number at a very reasonable price.

BTW there is no way ANY oil truck would ever deliver for a 5 gallon purchase.

There is a catch though, the dealer I ordered from contacted me and says they do not have the capability to ship the oil as it is considered a hazardous material. There are other dealers that will ship it with the hazmat fee added, which unfortunately makes it not worth buying.
I have to wonder what is in it that is hazardous, other oils are shipped all the time. They also said they couldn't ship the WS ATF anymore either, glad I bought 2 cases of it when I could.

I have a request in to a local dealer to price it for me. We'll see what they come up with.

Even at list price, which is around $20 it is a good deal.

As I have already said a few times, that part no is showing up as "bulk oil." That means it's very unlikely that it's sold in bottles but only as a distribution agreement between ExxonMobil and a shop. You can call a local Toyota dealer, give them that part no, and hear what they will say. Let me know if it turns out that it comes in bottles but I really don't think so. "Bulk" means it comes in drums or they come with a truck and pump several gallons of bulk oil into your shop tank from a drum.

Here is a relevant excerpt from the Toyota bulletin, which I linked above:

a) BULK - To order 0W-20 in bulk or work to establish a “keep fill” schedule (part numbers: 00279-0W201, 00279-0W200,
00279-0W202, 00279-0W203), for “bulk” part numbers, dealers must work with their authorized GTMO distributor to determine
demand requirements, delivery schedule and bulk product option. The listed bulk part numbers are not ordered through the
Toyota Complete Maintenance Care (TCMC) portal.

If your dealership is not currently signed up on GTMO program, please complete the attached enrollment form (Page 3), and fax
to the indicated fax numbers indicated on the form.

 

[rcy]

Originally Posted By: cp3
We can get TGMO 0w20 up here in 5 liter jugs. I believe pics have been posted. Would be odd for it to be here and not in the States...


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...862#Post2482862

 

[Vstrom]

Talked to a dealer in state that does internet sales. This is not the dealer I ordered from and was told they can't ship it.
He can get the GALLON JUGS (did you see that Gokhan?) of GTMO 0w-20 from their distribution center.
Problem is he also can't ship it to me*. He is about 130 miles away on the coast...if I plan on being back there anytime soon I can let him know a few days ahead so he will have it on hand for pickup.

Meanwhile my "local" selling dealer hasn't bothered to answer my online quote request for 5 gallons. Wonder why he has a form on his site to request parts prices but doesn't follow through?


BTW List price is $18.XX a gallon where list on 4 qts is $30

Most online dealers are selling it for $13 and change for the gallon.

* What is up with Toyota dealers refusing to ship oils? Seems no one else has issues. According to USDOT new motor oil is NOT hazardous material.
I bought 24 qts of WS fluid online last fall...if I'd known it was going to be unavailable later I'd have got 48!

 

[Hokiefyd]

Vstrom, can you post the name of the dealer? Some of us who may live near that dealer might be able to take advantage of that.

Thanks.

 

[Gokhan]

Originally Posted By: Vstrom
He can get the GALLON JUGS of GTMO 0w-20 from their distribution center.

I am still very skeptical that the dealer has actually ordered them before -- naturally so because no one on BITOG has ever seen them and the Toyota bulletin and online system say that part number is sold in bulk -- but, hey, maybe they actually exist. Please let us know if you get them and post a photo of these jugs for us so that we can see how they look like. I will go get a couple of them from the local dealer here if they do exist and others can do so, too, and we'll be really happy to get the ExxonMobil Toyota 0W-20 SN cheaper.

 

[Vstrom]

Originally Posted By: Hokiefyd
Vstrom, can you post the name of the dealer? Some of us who may live near that dealer might be able to take advantage of that.

Thanks.


Any dealer should be able to order it. The one I actually talked to on the phone is Sparks in Myrtle Beach.
If I get time today I am going to go by one of the 3 local dealers and see about ordering some. Even at list price it isn't a bad deal.
I've tried to get better pricing out of 2 of the 3 with no success. When I wanted 24 quarts of WS I could get no discount, I was somewhat amazed they would not come off at all, so I ordered it from a FL dealer at a considerable savings even with shipping. Seems like in today's economy they would be happy to make a little rather than nothing.

At Honda and Ford dealers locally I routinely ask for and get about 25% off.

 

[INDYMAC]

For those of you who are using 0W-20 TGMO, what has your shear rate been in your Toyota engine? I'm particularly interested in the 1GR-FE, or even a 2GR-FE engine. Thanks.