Switching from 0w-20 to 0w-30 experience

Thanks. Always appreciate your insight.

I guess what struck me about the UOA is that the AMSOIL Signature Series and OE both stayed in grade (above 6.9 cSt) despite >5% fuel dilution whereas the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy fell out of grade (NB: it was a 30 weight whereas the SS and OE were 20 weight oils) as it was below 9.3 cSt despite less fuel dilution than the Amsoil oils. Additionally, you'll note that the Mobil 1 had about half the miles that the AMSOIL Signature Series had on it, and again it stayed in grade while the Mobil 1 didn't. Those were the things I noticed.
I used Blackstone ONCE and from what I saw and read.....no more. If and when I do send in any samples it has been to Polaris Labs.
 
Thanks. Always appreciate your insight.

I guess what struck me about the UOA is that the AMSOIL Signature Series and OE both stayed in grade (above 6.9 cSt) despite >5% fuel dilution whereas the Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy fell out of grade (NB: it was a 30 weight whereas the SS and OE were 20 weight oils) as it was below 9.3 cSt despite less fuel dilution than the Amsoil oils. Additionally, you'll note that the Mobil 1 had about half the miles that the AMSOIL Signature Series had on it, and again it stayed in grade while the Mobil 1 didn't. Those were the things I noticed.
We'd still need a VOA to see how much viscosity the 0W-30 actually lost though. If we go by the PDS, it appears to be 1.8cSt vs 1.4cSt for the AMSOIL OE, but again, that could be batch variation. The falling out of grade doesn't really matter, as the 0W-20 is blended near the top of the grade (8.8, top is <9.3) while the 0W-30 is blended closer to the bottom (10.5, top is <12.5).
 
There is a small detail you might be missing here
Your tire diameter has changed, meaning your odometer reading has changed and the car miscalculates its speed. Which means your MPG reading should be off too, but that should, i think that should explain about 3-5% of it along with minimal aerodynamic change it brings sonce your ride heifght also changes.
But the remaining is probably the decreased rotational mass you have. It also matters a lot on track driving and that is people pay good money for forged wheels

Ps: 8 pounds per corner? That is huge. I am currently looking for a smaller diameter but wider rim (to accommodate wider tires). So overall i will be hopefully saving 3 pounds per corner and that is still big for me
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The new tires are taller, which would cause the odometer to read LOWER than actual miles traveled.

That means the MPG based on either hand calculation or on the car's display should go down-- not up.

Yet I still observed a significant increase in MPG. The tire size does matter, just the opposite of what you were thinking.

To be more specific, it's 808 vs 786 advertised revs per mile, about 3% fewer revs for the newer tires on 16" wheels.
 
Agree. We should have a stickied post in the used oil analysis forum to have people just save their time and money and send to Polaris. Wearcheck also seems good but I couldn't find how to send them samples.
Oh i have not been following used oil analysis in a while. What is wrong with Blackstone? Back in the days they were considered reliable. Or at least that was my impression
 
The main thing I noticed when I went completely from 0w20 to 0w30 in the wife's GDI-Turbo was one thing I did not expect.
I noticed each time I got into her car and cranked it up, it sees that the 100% 0w30 made the engine temp jump right up to the normal reading on the temp gage. I was not really too surprised. I just wonder of that is not a bad thing for it to heat up so very fast? Does it mean it is not flowing as free as the water thin 0w20 oils that we can thank Uncle Sam + his CAFE humbug for.
 
The main thing I noticed when I went completely from 0w20 to 0w30 in the wife's GDI-Turbo was one thing I did not expect.
I noticed each time I got into her car and cranked it up, it sees that the 100% 0w30 made the engine temp jump right up to the normal reading on the temp gage. I was not really too surprised. I just wonder of that is not a bad thing for it to heat up so very fast? Does it mean it is not flowing as free as the water thin 0w20 oils that we can thank Uncle Sam + his CAFE humbug for.
Inversely, I experienced my oil warming up much slower moving from xw30 to 5w40, and i mean really really slower. But my 5w40 is technically a racing oil (300V), so maybe they designed it to have a higher spesific heat to smooth the extremes. Though I am not sure how much can they really increase it
 
What primal instinct drives people to click on videos with a cover photo that looks like it was made by a toddler, or some mouth-breather with an IQ of 75? It really speaks to the state of Western society when this is the cover one uses to reach an audience :(. It makes me appreciate people like Engineering Explained who haven't caved to this trend.
What primal instinct drives people to judge a book by its cover? PHAD is one of my favorite channels. Ivan does complex auto diagnostics on cars where others failed, including certified techs from dealerships. EE is about bland theory and speculations, often times leading to wrong conclusions, by his own admission. PHAD is all about hands-on, creative problem solving in an era of declining repairability. It really is YT gold.
 
What primal instinct drives people to judge a book by its cover?
If the book is called "Escape from Elgor Manor" and has some triple F-cup Spanish raven with a smattering of red silk covering key bits, pulling back from some Fabio-esque character, am I to assume that this is probably a trashy novel or some great literary masterpiece?

We judge books by their cover constantly. The issue is that technical content is having to be dressed up like some lobotomized harlot in a Rob Zombie slasher in order to get clicks, it's the same sensationalist crap across the board.
PHAD is one of my favorite channels. Ivan does complex auto diagnostics on cars where others failed, including certified techs from dealerships.
That's fine. It doesn't address my observations as to how Youtube videos are having to be cover photo'd to cater to morons to get clicks. It's like National Geographic putting a massive Scholastic sticker on the cover that says "BOOBIES ON PAGE 9!" in order to get people to consume their product.
EE is about bland theory and speculations, often times leading to wrong conclusions, by his own admission. PHAD is all about hands-on, creative problem solving in an era of declining repairability. It really is YT gold.
EE hasn't caved to this trend, that's why he was mentioned.

You've taken my criticism of a Youtube trend personally because you took it as an affront to a creator you are a fan of. In doing so, you completely failed to address the subject, substance, and merit, of my criticism.
 
EE hasn't caved to this trend, that's why he was mentioned.
Watching his earlier videos comparing to more recent, I don't believe this is true. Maybe less click-baity than many, but still so. The worst part is the sponsorship in his more recent videos. He doesn't seem to be as objective as he once was.
 
Watching his earlier videos comparing to more recent, I don't believe this is true. Maybe less click-baity than many, but still so. The worst part is the sponsorship in his more recent videos. He doesn't seem to be as objective as he once was.
I rarely watch Youtube videos (which I think is obvious, based on my commentary/criticisms here), so I've not seen any of his more recent productions. If that's the case, then that's unfortunate, as he seemed to be a hold-out, and I appreciated him bucking this awful trend.
 
What I was referring to is the design of the cartridge oil filter housing and cooler combo that sits on top of the engine. The design lacks an anti-drain back valve so much of the oil drains back into the pan.

It’s a debate on how serious it actually is (if at all) but it’s something that I was wanting to take into consideration.
I had a Ram with a Pentastar this summer. Sitting overnight the startup racket was noticeable. This engine has Clear Flood Mode programmed into the ECU, so just hold the accelerator pedal to the floor and crank it approx 5 seconds to bring up the pressure. Then Start the engine normally. My Ram need some key fiddling as it would just keep cranking in CFM even after releasing the throttle. I had to do a KEY -OFF to stop the cranking, then do the normal start procedure (not touching the gas pedal).

I would do the CFM starting procedure for any overnight sit or the End of Workday startup.

-Arco
 
I had a Ram with a Pentastar this summer. Sitting overnight the startup racket was noticeable. This engine has Clear Flood Mode programmed into the ECU, so just hold the accelerator pedal to the floor and crank it approx 5 seconds to bring up the pressure. Then Start the engine normally. My Ram need some key fiddling as it would just keep cranking in CFM even after releasing the throttle. I had to do a KEY -OFF to stop the cranking, then do the normal start procedure (not touching the gas pedal).

I would do the CFM starting procedure for any overnight sit or the End of Workday startup.

-Arco
I think you are likely doing more harm than good with all that.
The main thing I noticed when I went completely from 0w20 to 0w30 in the wife's GDI-Turbo was one thing I did not expect.
I noticed each time I got into her car and cranked it up, it sees that the 100% 0w30 made the engine temp jump right up to the normal reading on the temp gage. I was not really too surprised. I just wonder of that is not a bad thing for it to heat up so very fast? Does it mean it is not flowing as free as the water thin 0w20 oils that we can thank Uncle Sam + his CAFE humbug for.
that clearly isn't 100% factual were you being sarcastic?
I have Mobil 1 ESP 0w30 just about as thick as a 30wt can be... and the difference between it and cafe 0w20 ... the outside temp being 10f or 15f different has more bearing on warmup time than the oil thickness.
 
I used the VW recommended 508 0w20 oil in my Jetta when I was living in the north east US. Now that I live in Texas I switched to 504 spec 5w30. The only difference I have noticed is the oil temp is a few degrees higher.
 
We judge books by their cover constantly. The issue is that technical content is having to be dressed up like some lobotomized harlot in a Rob Zombie slasher in order to get clicks, it's the same sensationalist crap across the board.
I get your criticism and agree with it. I've slowly watched even the most serious creators I follow on Youtube succumb to it over time, in varying degrees. Unfortunately, I think everyone caves to the algorithm eventually. When you think about it, it makes some sense, given that they often will put 100s of hours into a single video when you count research, scripting, videoing, editing, etc. And if it's their job, playing by the rules to work the algorithm is literally putting food on their table. So, I get it. They don't like it any more than we do (do you think Lake Speed or Project Farm ever envisioned themselves taking selfies making silly faces for thumbnails?). A little part of them probably died when they made their first thumbnail with a stupid face. But alas, conform, or get left behind. If you don't do it, someone else gladly will and will take your place without batting an eye.
 
I get your criticism and agree with it. I've slowly watched even the most serious creators I follow on Youtube succumb to it over time, in varying degrees. Unfortunately, I think everyone caves to the algorithm eventually. When you think about it, it makes some sense, given that they often will put 100s of hours into a single video when you count research, scripting, videoing, editing, etc. And if it's their job, playing by the rules to work the algorithm is literally putting food on their table. So, I get it. They don't like it any more than we do (do you think Lake Speed or Project Farm ever envisioned themselves taking selfies making silly faces for thumbnails?). A little part of them probably died when they made their first thumbnail with a stupid face. But alas, conform, or get left behind. If you don't do it, someone else gladly will and will take your place without batting an eye.
Yup, it's the "Tik-Tokification" of these platforms. Unfortunately, it's not just the creators that are caving to this, it's the consumers too, engaging with the "idiot tiles", reinforcing the effectiveness of this dumbing down. We see the same thing with mainstream media, look at how stories are headlined vs what they actually say. We increasingly live in a world of sensationalist headlines and vapid soundbites feeding echo chambers and dopamine receptors.

That's why I just avoid the platform at this point for the most part. Opting out of the algorithm. Not that it matters to Google of course, but I choose not to feed it.
 
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