On one hand you are arguing that someone in New Orleans with an electric car can't charge it today, and on the other you say people that live in natural disaster zones have back up plans. So which is it?
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On one hand you are arguing that someone in New Orleans with an electric car can't charge it today, and on the other you say people that live in natural disaster zones have back up plans. So which is it?
With PGE& being in a constant state of disaster I put in a home backup unit that can run everything at once including charging a car.
If one PLANS they can have backup fuel ready, but how many hold enough gas for 3 days use in their garage right now ready to go thats been rotated and fresh?
Gasoline doenst store well and requires stabilizing and rotation - few actually do it.
EV technology has been very very slow to get to where it's at. It's been around for a century. Mainstream for 2 decades. Propped up bigly by government subsidies and investments. And here we are, STILL talking about how they suck and ICE is better in practically every category except, now, EVs are "better" in the most irrelevant metric. I can go 2 seconds faster in a drag race. lol. Most humans don't care. This is a distracting propaganda headline grabber. Oh, and they are better for the crowd that has money to burn and will stand in line for the latest techno gadget. That's not most humans. That's a certain type of person. EVs are a one-trick pony and still worse in nearly every important metric for most peoples' needs.
The reason people buy big powerful V8s is because you get, well, power. PLUS you get reliability, versatility, towing, speed, acceleration, etc.
Honestly, I'm sick of all these "downfall of America" argument.
It is just a **** car. If you don't like it you can still buy a gasoline crew cab, and just pay the gasman and the manufacturer. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a propaganda or a downfall of your nation. What's next? Brown diesel manual wagon being a propaganda to take down the hard working blue collar American people as they are European snobs?
Yes, nothing is free, and not every nation can afford to send military all over the world to protect petroleum supplies. People have to fight and die for it. Electricity on the other hand can be powered by burning local coal, burning local natural gas, building local dam, installing local solar panels, etc. You do not need to bow to the OPEC or take out a dictator in a 3rd world oil producing nation that went lunatic with assassination plot.
Hey! You need to pick a better example…
My brother’s ‘84 Olds wagon was a climate controlled masterpiece. Tight, quiet, capable of ice box temperatures in sweltering summer heat, and of roasting you in below zero weather, once the mighty 350 diesel* was up and running.
When they were new, the double weather stripping, massive heater core, and even more massive evaporator in an Oldsmobile made them incredibly comfortable.
Oldsmobile had the best selling car, the Cutlass, in the world in the mid 70s. World-beating climate control was a large part of that success.
*Never a problem with that engine or its injection pump. The car was totaled in a rear end collision when it had over 200,000 trouble-free miles on it. Putting gasoline in the tank, and failing to change the oil on time, killed a lot of those Olds diesels, leading to a reputation for poor reliability, when in fact, negligent, ignorant ownership was much more to blame.
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I was referring to places where you actually have to bail out.
I don’t have to leave my home anymore as I don’t live in places like that anymore. But I don’t rotate my 3gal if fuel for my high pressure washer. One doesn’t have to store gasoline for a long time. One actually has to have back up gasoline for few days in advance. Either way you turn, having ICE in NOLA today might get you out. EV won’t.
I think the answer is obvious. You can more easily plan and prepare for a storm causing power outage type disaster if you have an ICE. You fill a few gas cans just in case. You might have a generator to run your appliances if you lose power. But if you must evacuate, you'd have several gas cans to top off the tank which can double your range on the move.
If you have an EV it complicates matters. You'd need an extra generator to power and charge the EV. And how would you charge your EV if you're fleeing? You'd have to bring extra gas, and the generator, then stop and be stationary for a long time to run the generator to fuel the EV. That's a lot of added difficulty...
It's a lot easier to just put fuel in a ICE gas tank, b/c the ICE has it's own power making generator under the hood.
Your choice of either run out of gas in the gas station or run out of battery charges.
That's just it, they should work in ANY environment. Not just "yours". Gas cars do, and that is the EV's direct competition. I live in one of the hottest cities in the United States. Yet all 3 of my gasoline powered vehicles could be driven very comfortably in Fairbanks, Alaska in January. They all have both heat and A/C. If they can do it, so should an EV that costs every bit as much or more.
As a consumer I don't think that is too much to ask. But it obviously is, because these EV's are not going to work well in these frigid climates. Certainly not for very long. It's just another one of many reasons these things are not ready for prime time. Because they cannot compete head to head. As was mentioned in a previous post, most everyone who currently owns an EV, also owns another gas powered vehicle to accomplish what the EV cannot.
And high CO2 per mile to boot.
Sure, I doubt you have any conflicts of interest with your Silicon Valley opinion. lol. Cracks me up.
The only reliable "law" I have heard so far is pollution control law in downtown of some urban area. Downtown basically would be a combustion free zone so if you are using EV you can go in anyway you want, or if you are on hybrid you need to be on battery alone while inside. I don't know how they will work out all the corner cases like if your battery went too low or if you are in an emergency. I think they may need some sort of geo fencing way to work around it or meter how much gas you burn inside the combustion free zone and then government bill you later for a ticket or fee.
It is already done with odd even number license plating in many Asian downtowns, the rich just buy 2 cars and the poor would carpool.
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Actually it is not. Gas can be stored. Gas can be transported in appropriate containers. I don’t see anyone hauling generator and fuel for one in Tesla.
Honest questions, where do the materials to make big batteries come from? What materials are in batteries? Are they toxic? How long does a car battery last, how much do they cost to replace, and how are the disposed of? What is the live span of a EV car, versus a traditional ICE?
I think if you honestly appraise the answers to these questions, you will find that traditional simple ICE vehicles even with poor MPGs are more environmentally friendly because they last 40 years and are cost effective to repair and keep on the roads.
Free your mind.
Buying gas 3 days before hurricane will hit so that you might evacuate with gas in your tank is not a backup plan, nor is buying insurance right before the hurricane hit, nor is getting stuck in traffic evacuating away from the area, nor is booking a hotel room when everyone else is too.
Seriously, backup plan only works if not everyone is doing the same thing at the same time for the same reason. Nobody build anything to handle everyone doing the same thing at the same time.
Maybe in the city where water and sewage stay working it might- if its full when the power goes out.
You aren't going to be running an air conditioner or any 240 Volt 50 amp loads.
This reminds me of the 70’s. We kept a couple of jerry cans of gasoline in the garage. Gasoline is not going to spoil that quickly. Having some gives you options.
Agreed. I live in Hurricane country. We get warnings, and perhaps a few impacts, every year. Evacuated once. Lost power nearly every time.
The energy density of gasoline is an undeniable, basic fact of chemistry. The roughly 1,000 lb battery of a Tesla stores about the energy equivalent of 3 gallons of gasoline.
With an impending need for more fuel, perhaps anticipating a natural disaster, I can store the equivalent energy of several full EV charges in a couple of 5 gallon Jerry cans.
That said, reverse powering a house during the disaster, using an F-150, is a fascinating concept. Not as cost effective as a NG powered whole house generator, but certainly an interesting alternative.
You still cannot get gas when everyone is filling up right before the hurricane hit. Heck you cannot even get toilet paper last year when everyone suddenly started working from home.
Let's say you can get gas at $7 a gallon, can you even get out of the zone when everyone is driving on the road at the same time? Where are you going to go when every single hotel room is already booked?
Anyways, in 2021 if you are buying an EV most likely you have 1 EV and 1 gas car, so in evacuation you leave your EV behind and evacuate with a gas car, it is that simple.
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Right on, I have NG, propane, and gasoline gens … but do have to burn and replace 20 gallons in the fall …
(put it in vehicles) … Use Techron marine stuff …
Some would consider that a PIA - I call it exercise (not a gym rat, like to work) …
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