Any one capable of thought could figure that out. During hot or cold weather the electric grid is taxed. Last winter in Texas and every really hot day in California for example. New home building fees aren't enough for all the loads they put on every where they are build.
How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?
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Any one capable of thought could figure that out. During hot or cold weather the electric grid is taxed. Last winter in Texas and every really hot day in California for example. New home building fees aren't enough for all the loads they put on every where they are build.
I think what a lot of Tesla fanboi's (not that you are a fanboi, Mr. KnickKnack) don't see is that most of the push back against EV's is that the rest of us see them being jammed down our throats in the near future when they are no where near to being a replacement for ICE cars in functionality or suitability.
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Would an EV even be a feasible business model if it weren't for govt subsidies and taxes/carbon credits?
I hate the idea of using battery for lawn mower or power tool, but that doesn't mean they are not popular or convenient, environmental be ****ed. I also hate the idea of urban cowboy driving a crew cab pickup or an full size SUV to tow a boat once a year, but hey, people buy it and it makes them happy, more power to them.
Regarding to EV, if you want a crew cab pickup to tow an imaginary boat with a plywood in the bed, you are looking at the wrong vehicle to begin with. Good bye.
I like the idea of EV if it is done right. Is it bad for the environment? Sure, but so are gasoline and diesel cars. It is all about what makes more sense and to many it does. It is also more comfortable with less engine noise and vibration. You have people going from 4 cylinder to V6 or V8 because it is smoother, and pay a huge premium for it in fuel economy and purchase price, but EV just solves all that problem for you.
Precious metal wise, I think Cobalt is not as hard to get as Platinum and Palladium for the cat, and people so far haven't driven around cutting out battery pack to steal cobalt yet, but they have been driving around cutting cat out of the bottom of cars and pickups.
Arguing that EV is not good for the environment then say you want to drive a small gas car, but really should get a big pickup to drive across the nation, seems a bit contradictory. If anything most EV buyers have more than 1 car in the household, 1 would be gas and 1 would be EV, and the EV would be a commute vehicle.
Regarding to EV, if you want a crew cab pickup to tow an imaginary boat with a plywood in the bed, you are looking at the wrong vehicle to begin with. Good bye.
I like the idea of EV if it is done right. Is it bad for the environment? Sure, but so are gasoline and diesel cars. It is all about what makes more sense and to many it does. It is also more comfortable with less engine noise and vibration. You have people going from 4 cylinder to V6 or V8 because it is smoother, and pay a huge premium for it in fuel economy and purchase price, but EV just solves all that problem for you.
Precious metal wise, I think Cobalt is not as hard to get as Platinum and Palladium for the cat, and people so far haven't driven around cutting out battery pack to steal cobalt yet, but they have been driving around cutting cat out of the bottom of cars and pickups.
Arguing that EV is not good for the environment then say you want to drive a small gas car, but really should get a big pickup to drive across the nation, seems a bit contradictory. If anything most EV buyers have more than 1 car in the household, 1 would be gas and 1 would be EV, and the EV would be a commute vehicle.
There is no vehicle that can do everything. Or there would only be 1 vehicle.
There are 2 drivers in our home, me and wifey. I have lotsa cars because I like them.
Do I need a Tesla? No. Do I love the Tesla? Yes. Same with the other cars. Each has their strong and weak properties.
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Don't know off the top of my head, but let's say it's a 4kW heater, the battery in an Audi e-tron is 95kWh, so even if it ran for an hour straight at full bore, consuming 4kWh, it's barely touched the battery.
Does it reduce range? Absolutely. but it's not as dramatic as you think it is. EV's are very well insulated (my e-tron was a tank) and so keeping the interior warm isn't like trying to heat a clapped out '84 Olds Wagon where you can literally feel the wind coming in the doors.
Birth control, move to Iceland, use greenhouses to grow food.
I think that is the only way we can be carbon neutral for real in our world today. Not popular but that's probably the only way, or let nature take care of our population problem.
The same way a Harley would work in these environment: not great.
Seriously, I don't give a hoot about how my purchase would work in other people's environment. I am not forcing them to buy it and they can buy whatever they want that fits their environment.
A small airplane might work better in most area of Alaska than a car, but that doesn't mean I should buy an airplane in California or we should ban other cars in Alaska.
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Let people legally own what they want. Be that a Pickup in the city, a Super-car, Prius, or an EV. Why do we care what's in someone's driveway?
It is a human nature. We all want others to agree with us, but we don't want to agree with others if they have different opinions.
Why do they HAVE to come with self driving?
Particularly when they are not capable of doing it. Just had another one hit two parked cars here in FL, that's the third time this week. The other was a cop car.
Particularly when they are not capable of doing it. Just had another one hit two parked cars here in FL, that's the third time this week. The other was a cop car.
Control just like them being connected to the internet. They can turn them off or program them on the fly, not always for good reasons.
I dont care about green, I care about what makes business sense, and what is fun and enjoyable. (makes me a bad person - Ill live with that)
These thing perform like old school big blocks, how many miles did those get? Im older than many here and I ve had cars that wouldnt go 250 miles on a tank my big block Chevelle being one.
Ive taken many trips with them, borrowed them, and gone on multi vehicle trips with them.
I cannot make the case there aren't enough charging stations because most owners homes are a charging station.
If you woke up every morning with a full tank the only time you need to use a station is when you are on the road, and where I travel there are tons of places to charge. When charging at home they save you time as you need never visit a station on a separate discreet trip, and this adds up to about 30 min a week for me to fill two vehicles every sunday. Done 50 weeks a year thats 25 hours a year saved not visiting filling stations.
I also cant make the case it takes too long to charge after traveling with a long range S, or 3. I stopped the same frequency I did with an ice car and for about the same amount of time. Twice for about 20 minutes on a 7 hour trip.
pull up to the " pump"
start pump
clean windshields
walk to bathroom/ use bathroom
refill coffee, pick up snack, pay
walk back to pump- put away cord/ hose
leave.
For towing - I fully agree - wrong vehicles.
If only it were that simple. This is unfortunately the attitude representing the downfall of America. Apathy and inability to see trends and the future. This is how we lose all of our freedoms of choice. People just don't care, until one day they wake up and cannot get or own XYZ b/c somebody signed some papers and took them away.
This is about free choice being taken thru the vilification of ICE as some cosmic monster destroying the planet, and the total hogwash propaganda of EVs as some unicorn savior of the planet. It's a redistribution of resources targeted to end ICE (taxes, emissions, regulations, etc.) and to remove choice and force us to EVs. It's all predicated on lies, overpromising, underdelivering, and control of the masses. ICE give you a lot more freedom than EVs. If you don't know the lies and propaganda, shame on you.
Don't believe me. Look at the trend. ICE makers are killing off their ICE cars, and there are future dates for the end of production. This is largely b/c government regulations make it too hard and not profitable to make them, among other things. The end of making them is nigh. And then you won't be able to have a choice to "buy one or don't buy one, what's the big deal."
And nothing is free folks. The government subsidies forcing us to EVs will dry up, the payments to buy EVs, solar panels, etc. will go away. Once they have everyone forced onto EVs, much easier to track people, control them, etc. Turn off a grid, and an entire region cannot travel. Jack up rates in a region and nobody can afford to charge their cars. Hack into them or hit them with a crippling virus and kill their cars. Hundreds of nefarious control uses on these EVs.
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Sure, but it’s still the nicest parts of the Houston metroplex where I see a couple Tesla guys plugged in and on the phone or laptop … I expected rooftop solar to be bigger here by now - that is also out of reach for many or baby boomers don’t want 20 year payouts … I think they just charge off the grid at night …
Rates are not bad - and the rate shopper software lets you select green energy …
Pie in the sky=You mentioned Austin a few times so surely you stopped at Buc-ees … Once he’s ready to charge EV’s - betting you’ll plug in and go use the clean restrooms, eat & relax in the restaurant, and then go shopping …
He will have 100+ Rapid chargers knowing this guy …
Freedom isnt just what works for you.
It's not universally true ice gives one more freedom.
The frequent power outages here bring down every gas station within an hours drive - and if you get caught with a low tank you are stuck.
last year we had three sequential days of down time.
I can charge an ice car using my home backup generator that runs on natural gas.
Ice will be around a long time.
Darn, my car is dead. NO power. lol.
Dude with the lifted F150 and a full gas can and chain saw looks like a champ!
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The electric vehicle in my future will be when the electric part is mastered. Maybe then they will have the time to make the rest of the vehicle acceptable.
I am getting an EV for the very logical reason that I want one. It is a Mach E. The tax credit and the saving on the license are both bonuses, but I did not ask for either one. In the meantime, I will keep my VW Jetta TDI, my Dodge pickup, my wife's Civic and, of course, my Model A, plus my gas guzzling boat. You can't beat the TDI was cross country trips.
So, you need a bunch of natural gas, and a generator, to charge your EV. And you need to remain stationary while charging, for hours. Running a generator. Outdoors. Maybe in the rain. lol.
ICE: Just need some planning ahead and a full gas can. Takes 1 minute to put in the tank and keep going. Typical car, 5 gallon gas can in the trunk, extends range by 150 miles. Takes 5 minutes to fill. EV cannot come close to this convenience, esp. in an emergency. Gas is almost always available and portable and tradeable, exchangeable. "Hey buddy, you need some gas?" It's 1 minute transaction.
The latter is a lot more freedom of movement, esp. in a crisis.
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