2022 Cupra Born V2

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Whenever I've got myself a new car I usually rush with excitement to get a post up here, but this time was different. You see, I'm an absolute petrolhead and the idea of an EV really didn't appeal to me. I said previously on this forum that I often though I wasn't so much a car guy, but an internal combustion guy and cars are just the way I get to interact with engines on a daily basis.

A few weeks ago our new company car list metaphorically passed across my desk. I've never paid it much attention, quite happy doing my own thing and getting paid a little extra for doing so. However, this time I couldn't help but notice the benefit-in-kind tax rates on the EV's. I sat down and started doing some basic maths and worked out if I sold my Duster and paid off some debts and replaced the Duster with a company car, I'd be around £200-£300 a month better off, and that wasn't taking into account running costs either. I mulled it over for a little bit and mentioned it to my Wife who took the time to work the sums out herself and came to the same conclusion.

The next day I put an order in for a brand new Renault Megane Iconic ETech in mightnight blue with a black roof, black half leather with grey cloth seats. I was told the wait would be approximately 10 weeks and was offered this car in the interim. Without wanting to give too much away just yet, I've decided to cancel that order for the time being, and keep this car until it's lease is up in October 2026.

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This Cupra Born V2 arrived two weeks ago today. It's basically a VW ID3 with some angrier looking bumpers and trims, some bigger angrier alloy wheels, lower firmer angrier suspension, some angrier bucket-esque type front seats seats, and a better infotainment system. The car has a 201hp motor that powers the rear wheels (yay!) and a 58kWh battery slung under the floor.

My biggest concern and the elephant in the room when it comes to EV's was obviously range. I'm getting ~230miles out of a full charge. A full charge takes around 9 hours on my 7kw domestic charger at home or can be charged from 10% to 80% in 30 minutes on a rapid charger which I'm yet to try. I generally only commute two days a week, one of those days I have a 110 mile round trip and the second I have a 190 mile round trip. Both quite easily doable in the Born. I get a cheap charge tariff between 00:30 and 05:30 of 8p/kWh which I take full advantage of by scheduling the charges only during this time and averaging around 2.7p/mile in electricity costs. Of course, if I used the rapid chargers (which are currently upwards of 75p/kWh) I could easily increase this cost by a factor of 10. As a comparison, my old Dacia Duster with it's little 1.5 diesel engine had fuel costs around ~13p/mile, so significant savings are available if you can manage your charging costs accordingly.

For a 200bhp hatch weighing nearly 1800kgs the performance is surprising. Officially the 0-60 time is 6.9s with a limited top speed of 99mph. I've driven a plethora of vehicles in my 15 year driving career with all sorts of different engines and gearboxes and NOTHING compares to the response and instant torque production of the electric motor. In fact, I find myself performing overtakes or pulling out of junctions where I wouldn't dare in an ICE car because I know the second I hit that throttle it's just going to respond instantly. There's no gear change wait for or turbo lag to consider, foot down and off you go. It's actually quite addictive.

There's no getting away from the fact this car is heavy. The suspension is stiff and the weight really does show it's face when the road is anything but perfectly smooth. Maybe I've just been too used to the floaty cushy nature of the Duster for too long, you could drive at speed bumps with that thing at speeds you shouldn't and it would barely flinch. I will say though, the low centre of gravity of the Born does appear to be advantageous when the road gets curvy, certainly turn in is sharp and well controlled but the narrow 215 section tyres make putting down any power as you come out of a corner an issue. Often the rear wheels will hop and skip while the traction control tries to keep it all under wraps. It does all add to a car though that feels far more powerful than it otherwise is, And that's a good thing, right?

Overall build quality is very good. Everything has that usual VW 'heaviness' to it. Nothing squeaks or rattles but I wouldn't expect much else in a car with only 20k on the clock. And why do VW cars always smell like crayons?

I do have a few issues with the car. My first complaint is the touch buttons. They are EVERYWHERE! The worst are the buttons on the steering wheel which I am CONSTANTLY pressing by accident. And what kind of mindless idiot decided this 'REAR' button was a good idea...

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The infotainment system is a little convoluted to use, a bit slow and things aren't where you'd expect them. The sound system is also a bit disappointing too, my bargain basement Duster would run rings around it! Often you notice a lot of the bass being 'pulled' (I'm sure there's an official term for this) when trying to crank up my 2000's era punk rock playlists while trying to relive my teenage years.

I also feel like I'm sitting too high in what should be a 'warm-ish' hatch. I guess this is down to the batteries but it does sometimes make the car feel a little tall, almost like an MPV.

The car does have a head up display, and this isn't a complaint at the car but head up displays in general. What's the point? It actually started annoying me and feeling like it was in the way when I was looking out of the windscreen. I was glad to see it could be switched off.

Also occasionally the regenerative braking doesn't kick in quite quick enough and you find yourself pressing the brake pedal too far and utilising the physical brakes before the regenerative braking kicks in and throws you through the windscreen. Had a few awkward conversations with passengers when that's happened. Luckily, it isn't too often and I'm more mindful of it now.

Last week I had a minor internal crisis when I realised I was enjoying driving this thing. I put my foot down at a traffic light and there was a 'whoop' and a whine from the motor at the back of the car as I got shot off into the horizon and I realised I had a smile on my face. I genuinely worried for a minute that ICE cars would suddenly feel agricultural and over complicated. Would I still enjoy them as much? I used my Wife's Volvo to move some timber for a friend of mine this weekend just gone. We were pulling up a steep hill with the rear of the car half full of wood listening to the engine growl away with the delightful 5 pot thrum it makes and as we neared the summit of the hill I lifted off the throttle, as I did so the engine fell silent and a loud 'whoooshhh' from the turbo ricochet the old stone wall next to us. I smiled, giggled and realised nothing had really changed and my love for ICE still stands.

My neighbour stuck his head out of the front door yesterday while I was emptying my work gear out the boot and said "You love it yet?" and I shrugged my shoulders and just responded "I don't think I could really love it, but I'm pleasantly surprised".
 
If it pencils out it pencils out. In these times you really gotta pull out every trick to pinch. And I hate touch buttons it's such a stupid concept to have in a car. But I still like the normal way a car drives so I don't think ice will become over complicated. I hate the automatic regen braking all ev's force you to have. Could not turn it off in the tesla I test drove only reduce it and I was wondering why someone was honking at me from behind then changed lanes and drove fast as I was just trying to simply coast but it felt like it was braking every time I let off the gas so I had to keep accelerating and accelerating and I think the guy behind me thought I was trying to road rage with him when I wasn't. Automatic regen braking that can't be disabled is such a piece of crap system I hate it and would ban it outright if I had the government power. If I want the dang car to slow beyond what it slows when coasting then I want it to do it when I press the brake, not on its own. Some backwards times we're living in. And I know I'm not the only one that doesn't like how an ev drives in that sense.
 
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If it pencils out it pencils out. In these times you really gotta pull out every trick to pinch. And I hate touch buttons it's such a stupid concept to have in a car. But I still like the normal way a car drives so I don't think ice will become over complicated. I hate the automatic regen braking all ev's force you to have. Could not turn it off in the tesla I test drove only reduce it and I was wondering why someone was honking at me from behind then changed lanes and drove fast as I was just trying to simply coast but it felt like it was braking every time I let off the gas so I had to keep accelerating and accelerating and I think the guy behind me thought I was trying to road rage with him when I wasn't. Automatic regen braking that can't be disabled is such a piece of crap system I hate it and would ban it outright if I had the government power. If I want the dang car to slow beyond what it slows when coasting then I want it to do it when I press the brake, not on its own. Some backwards times we're living in. And I know I'm not the only one that doesn't like how an ev drives in that sense.

You have two drive modes 'D' and 'B'. In 'D' the regen braking only happens with your foot on the brake. If you weren't clue'd up you'd have no idea it was happening. In 'B' an element of regen braking happens as soon as you take your foot off the accelerator and allows for an element of 'single pedal driving'.
 
Wonderful review, and great writing, you have the knack!

My wife has a rav4h, and for a week a tried out an X3e. I gotta admit, the electric drive has a place in the purest of driving experiences. It feels simple and effortless, and the precision adds a dimension you describe well, avoiding ICE bog, turbo lag, and transmission tuning. The low CG means a lot, and I too prefer the weight of a heavier vehicle, even in small guise. Nice write up. Impressive range. glad VW has something working … maybe they can nail the EV thing down.
 
Whenever I've got myself a new car I usually rush with excitement to get a post up here, but this time was different. You see, I'm an absolute petrolhead and the idea of an EV really didn't appeal to me. I said previously on this forum that I often though I wasn't so much a car guy, but an internal combustion guy and cars are just the way I get to interact with engines on a daily basis.

A few weeks ago our new company car list metaphorically passed across my desk. I've never paid it much attention, quite happy doing my own thing and getting paid a little extra for doing so. However, this time I couldn't help but notice the benefit-in-kind tax rates on the EV's. I sat down and started doing some basic maths and worked out if I sold my Duster and paid off some debts and replaced the Duster with a company car, I'd be around £200-£300 a month better off, and that wasn't taking into account running costs either. I mulled it over for a little bit and mentioned it to my Wife who took the time to work the sums out herself and came to the same conclusion.

The next day I put an order in for a brand new Renault Megane Iconic ETech in mightnight blue with a black roof, black half leather with grey cloth seats. I was told the wait would be approximately 10 weeks and was offered this car in the interim. Without wanting to give too much away just yet, I've decided to cancel that order for the time being, and keep this car until it's lease is up in October 2026.

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This Cupra Born V2 arrived two weeks ago today. It's basically a VW ID3 with some angrier looking bumpers and trims, some bigger angrier alloy wheels, lower firmer angrier suspension, some angrier bucket-esque type front seats seats, and a better infotainment system. The car has a 201hp motor that powers the rear wheels (yay!) and a 58kWh battery slung under the floor.

My biggest concern and the elephant in the room when it comes to EV's was obviously range. I'm getting ~230miles out of a full charge. A full charge takes around 9 hours on my 7kw domestic charger at home or can be charged from 10% to 80% in 30 minutes on a rapid charger which I'm yet to try. I generally only commute two days a week, one of those days I have a 110 mile round trip and the second I have a 190 mile round trip. Both quite easily doable in the Born. I get a cheap charge tariff between 00:30 and 05:30 of 8p/kWh which I take full advantage of by scheduling the charges only during this time and averaging around 2.7p/mile in electricity costs. Of course, if I used the rapid chargers (which are currently upwards of 75p/kWh) I could easily increase this cost by a factor of 10. As a comparison, my old Dacia Duster with it's little 1.5 diesel engine had fuel costs around ~13p/mile, so significant savings are available if you can manage your charging costs accordingly.

For a 200bhp hatch weighing nearly 1800kgs the performance is surprising. Officially the 0-60 time is 6.9s with a limited top speed of 99mph. I've driven a plethora of vehicles in my 15 year driving career with all sorts of different engines and gearboxes and NOTHING compares to the response and instant torque production of the electric motor. In fact, I find myself performing overtakes or pulling out of junctions where I wouldn't dare in an ICE car because I know the second I hit that throttle it's just going to respond instantly. There's no gear change wait for or turbo lag to consider, foot down and off you go. It's actually quite addictive.

There's no getting away from the fact this car is heavy. The suspension is stiff and the weight really does show it's face when the road is anything but perfectly smooth. Maybe I've just been too used to the floaty cushy nature of the Duster for too long, you could drive at speed bumps with that thing at speeds you shouldn't and it would barely flinch. I will say though, the low centre of gravity of the Born does appear to be advantageous when the road gets curvy, certainly turn in is sharp and well controlled but the narrow 215 section tyres make putting down any power as you come out of a corner an issue. Often the rear wheels will hop and skip while the traction control tries to keep it all under wraps. It does all add to a car though that feels far more powerful than it otherwise is, And that's a good thing, right?

Overall build quality is very good. Everything has that usual VW 'heaviness' to it. Nothing squeaks or rattles but I wouldn't expect much else in a car with only 20k on the clock. And why do VW cars always smell like crayons?

I do have a few issues with the car. My first complaint is the touch buttons. They are EVERYWHERE! The worst are the buttons on the steering wheel which I am CONSTANTLY pressing by accident. And what kind of mindless idiot decided this 'REAR' button was a good idea...

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The infotainment system is a little convoluted to use, a bit slow and things aren't where you'd expect them. The sound system is also a bit disappointing too, my bargain basement Duster would run rings around it! Often you notice a lot of the bass being 'pulled' (I'm sure there's an official term for this) when trying to crank up my 2000's era punk rock playlists while trying to relive my teenage years.

I also feel like I'm sitting too high in what should be a 'warm-ish' hatch. I guess this is down to the batteries but it does sometimes make the car feel a little tall, almost like an MPV.

The car does have a head up display, and this isn't a complaint at the car but head up displays in general. What's the point? It actually started annoying me and feeling like it was in the way when I was looking out of the windscreen. I was glad to see it could be switched off.

Also occasionally the regenerative braking doesn't kick in quite quick enough and you find yourself pressing the brake pedal too far and utilising the physical brakes before the regenerative braking kicks in and throws you through the windscreen. Had a few awkward conversations with passengers when that's happened. Luckily, it isn't too often and I'm more mindful of it now.

Last week I had a minor internal crisis when I realised I was enjoying driving this thing. I put my foot down at a traffic light and there was a 'whoop' and a whine from the motor at the back of the car as I got shot off into the horizon and I realised I had a smile on my face. I genuinely worried for a minute that ICE cars would suddenly feel agricultural and over complicated. Would I still enjoy them as much? I used my Wife's Volvo to move some timber for a friend of mine this weekend just gone. We were pulling up a steep hill with the rear of the car half full of wood listening to the engine growl away with the delightful 5 pot thrum it makes and as we neared the summit of the hill I lifted off the throttle, as I did so the engine fell silent and a loud 'whoooshhh' from the turbo ricochet the old stone wall next to us. I smiled, giggled and realised nothing had really changed and my love for ICE still stands.

My neighbour stuck his head out of the front door yesterday while I was emptying my work gear out the boot and said "You love it yet?" and I shrugged my shoulders and just responded "I don't think I could really love it, but I'm pleasantly surprised".
Keep us updated as apparently now that Cupra was spun off from Seat Volkswagen is looking to put Cupra in US showrooms by 2027. I'm a car, plane train etc guy. I'm not sure how a totally foreign brand outside the USA will go over on this side of the pond.
 
Little update as I've had the car a two months now.

Have a few issues with the car and really need to get it booked into the dealer. I have a front end knock that sounds like an anti-roll bar link, the driveshafts are clicking when you go from drive to reverse or vice versa (a common issue), the puddle lights should make a Cupra logo but just make a messy splodge (another common issue) and there's no consumption information in the screen with the speedometer on it and there should be (I believe a software update is required). But otherwise, it's been a really nice car to have about. It's nice not to feel guilty about short tripping as I do in ICE vehicles, it's also nice not to worry about waiting for an engine to warm up before putting my foot down. It's nice to have a car that handles too, it's been 4 years since I had my BMW 5 series and that was probably the last car we had that was really really fun to drive. This little hatch with it's RWD drivetrain and low centre of gravity makes short work of the back roads around where I live.

On the charging front, we did our first drive last Thursday where we had to charge during the trip. We took the kids to London for the day to do some sightseeing, a trip of 163 miles each way. I booked a parking space with a 7.4kw EV charger (49p/kWh) but when I arrived it was broken. Annoyingly a space with an EV charger cost an additional £3 plus laughably I've had a bill for £24 for 'electric used'. I've requested a refund, we'll see how that goes.

I managed to get back to Reading services where I charged on a rapid charger putting 160 miles in the car in around 30 minutes which wasn't the big deal I expected it to be but cost me 89p/kWh. Once we'd all been to the toilet and got some snacks there was minimal hanging around.
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I still consider the biggest challenge to EV ownership to be charging costs and availability. If you can keep costs down then you're onto a winner.
 
Whenever I've got myself a new car I usually rush with excitement to get a post up here, but this time was different. You see, I'm an absolute petrolhead and the idea of an EV really didn't appeal to me. I said previously on this forum that I often though I wasn't so much a car guy, but an internal combustion guy and cars are just the way I get to interact with engines on a daily basis.

A few weeks ago our new company car list metaphorically passed across my desk. I've never paid it much attention, quite happy doing my own thing and getting paid a little extra for doing so. However, this time I couldn't help but notice the benefit-in-kind tax rates on the EV's. I sat down and started doing some basic maths and worked out if I sold my Duster and paid off some debts and replaced the Duster with a company car, I'd be around £200-£300 a month better off, and that wasn't taking into account running costs either. I mulled it over for a little bit and mentioned it to my Wife who took the time to work the sums out herself and came to the same conclusion.

The next day I put an order in for a brand new Renault Megane Iconic ETech in mightnight blue with a black roof, black half leather with grey cloth seats. I was told the wait would be approximately 10 weeks and was offered this car in the interim. Without wanting to give too much away just yet, I've decided to cancel that order for the time being, and keep this car until it's lease is up in October 2026.

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This Cupra Born V2 arrived two weeks ago today. It's basically a VW ID3 with some angrier looking bumpers and trims, some bigger angrier alloy wheels, lower firmer angrier suspension, some angrier bucket-esque type front seats seats, and a better infotainment system. The car has a 201hp motor that powers the rear wheels (yay!) and a 58kWh battery slung under the floor.

My biggest concern and the elephant in the room when it comes to EV's was obviously range. I'm getting ~230miles out of a full charge. A full charge takes around 9 hours on my 7kw domestic charger at home or can be charged from 10% to 80% in 30 minutes on a rapid charger which I'm yet to try. I generally only commute two days a week, one of those days I have a 110 mile round trip and the second I have a 190 mile round trip. Both quite easily doable in the Born. I get a cheap charge tariff between 00:30 and 05:30 of 8p/kWh which I take full advantage of by scheduling the charges only during this time and averaging around 2.7p/mile in electricity costs. Of course, if I used the rapid chargers (which are currently upwards of 75p/kWh) I could easily increase this cost by a factor of 10. As a comparison, my old Dacia Duster with it's little 1.5 diesel engine had fuel costs around ~13p/mile, so significant savings are available if you can manage your charging costs accordingly.

For a 200bhp hatch weighing nearly 1800kgs the performance is surprising. Officially the 0-60 time is 6.9s with a limited top speed of 99mph. I've driven a plethora of vehicles in my 15 year driving career with all sorts of different engines and gearboxes and NOTHING compares to the response and instant torque production of the electric motor. In fact, I find myself performing overtakes or pulling out of junctions where I wouldn't dare in an ICE car because I know the second I hit that throttle it's just going to respond instantly. There's no gear change wait for or turbo lag to consider, foot down and off you go. It's actually quite addictive.

There's no getting away from the fact this car is heavy. The suspension is stiff and the weight really does show it's face when the road is anything but perfectly smooth. Maybe I've just been too used to the floaty cushy nature of the Duster for too long, you could drive at speed bumps with that thing at speeds you shouldn't and it would barely flinch. I will say though, the low centre of gravity of the Born does appear to be advantageous when the road gets curvy, certainly turn in is sharp and well controlled but the narrow 215 section tyres make putting down any power as you come out of a corner an issue. Often the rear wheels will hop and skip while the traction control tries to keep it all under wraps. It does all add to a car though that feels far more powerful than it otherwise is, And that's a good thing, right?

Overall build quality is very good. Everything has that usual VW 'heaviness' to it. Nothing squeaks or rattles but I wouldn't expect much else in a car with only 20k on the clock. And why do VW cars always smell like crayons?

I do have a few issues with the car. My first complaint is the touch buttons. They are EVERYWHERE! The worst are the buttons on the steering wheel which I am CONSTANTLY pressing by accident. And what kind of mindless idiot decided this 'REAR' button was a good idea...

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The infotainment system is a little convoluted to use, a bit slow and things aren't where you'd expect them. The sound system is also a bit disappointing too, my bargain basement Duster would run rings around it! Often you notice a lot of the bass being 'pulled' (I'm sure there's an official term for this) when trying to crank up my 2000's era punk rock playlists while trying to relive my teenage years.

I also feel like I'm sitting too high in what should be a 'warm-ish' hatch. I guess this is down to the batteries but it does sometimes make the car feel a little tall, almost like an MPV.

The car does have a head up display, and this isn't a complaint at the car but head up displays in general. What's the point? It actually started annoying me and feeling like it was in the way when I was looking out of the windscreen. I was glad to see it could be switched off.

Also occasionally the regenerative braking doesn't kick in quite quick enough and you find yourself pressing the brake pedal too far and utilising the physical brakes before the regenerative braking kicks in and throws you through the windscreen. Had a few awkward conversations with passengers when that's happened. Luckily, it isn't too often and I'm more mindful of it now.

Last week I had a minor internal crisis when I realised I was enjoying driving this thing. I put my foot down at a traffic light and there was a 'whoop' and a whine from the motor at the back of the car as I got shot off into the horizon and I realised I had a smile on my face. I genuinely worried for a minute that ICE cars would suddenly feel agricultural and over complicated. Would I still enjoy them as much? I used my Wife's Volvo to move some timber for a friend of mine this weekend just gone. We were pulling up a steep hill with the rear of the car half full of wood listening to the engine growl away with the delightful 5 pot thrum it makes and as we neared the summit of the hill I lifted off the throttle, as I did so the engine fell silent and a loud 'whoooshhh' from the turbo ricochet the old stone wall next to us. I smiled, giggled and realised nothing had really changed and my love for ICE still stands.

My neighbour stuck his head out of the front door yesterday while I was emptying my work gear out the boot and said "You love it yet?" and I shrugged my shoulders and just responded "I don't think I could really love it, but I'm pleasantly surprised".
How much range is lost if you use air conditioning, run headlights wipers etc at night? Luckily (I'm Assuming you're in England) which doesn't see bitter cold like -40 or 117f like in Arizona.
 
How much range is lost if you use air conditioning, run headlights wipers etc at night? Luckily (I'm Assuming you're in England) which doesn't see bitter cold like -40 or 117f like in Arizona.

I'm not OP but I've driven EV for years and I can tell you, headlights, wipers, etc. make minimal difference. HVAC can, though. It uses A LOT of power to initially get the interior temp to where you want it, but after that, it isn't too bad, especially when it's hot outside. When it's cold outside, and you're heating the car, it can use quite a lot of power, but it depends on the EV. Better/modern EVs use the AC system/heat pump technology to heat the interior and while this can still use oodles of juice, it's not as bad as cheaper/older EVs that use a resistive heater which is very thirsty. When I had my Bolt (resistive heater) I'd avoid using the heater as it would happily sit there using 8kw of power continuously just to give me heat. The Prologue (heat pump), even though it's a larger interior space, uses much less power to heat up.
 
How much range is lost if you use air conditioning, run headlights wipers etc at night? Luckily (I'm Assuming you're in England) which doesn't see bitter cold like -40 or 117f like in Arizona.

I'm in Wales, but it's all the same island with much the same weather.

On a 15°c+ day taking it easy I can see upwards of 250 miles. This drops down to ~200miles in the cold weather. However, this is little to do with the HVAC and more to do with the batteries abilities at colder weather.

It's around 10°c this morning and I drove my 53 mile commute at ~75mph and arrived at work with 168miles remaining in the battery.

I always assume I have 200 miles and work on that basis when working out charging intervals.

The HVAC when driving makes very little difference, however I try to pre-condition the interior while it's still plugged in if it's very cold or very hot.
 
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