How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?
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I still remember futurama at Disneyland in the 70's. I don't see much of that even now over 50 years later. For government to just say that ICE will no longer exist after a certain date is ludicrous. What happens to the poor when no mass transit exists. Horse and buggy option only.
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I think hybrids make a lot more sense and should have been the natural progression. Then there's hydrogen which could be very interesting for the future.
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You guys were "renewable" long before it became a buzzword, just like Quebec here in Canada. Large scale hydro is the only source besides nuclear that has been able to achieve deep decarbonization.
The goal shouldn't be going renewable, it should be going clean, using whatever means is most appropriate. You mentioned China, they are building a massive nuke fleet while they are also building huge amounts of hydro and everything else.
Proliferation of EVs makes the eventual carbon tax more lucrative and easier to apply.
I prefer to skip the middle man and burn my hydrocarbons directly, it is more efficient this way.
I prefer to skip the middle man and burn my hydrocarbons directly, it is more efficient this way.
Yep and soon it won’t matter according to the experts. Wellington and other New Zealand cities will be underwater.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/environment...evel-rise-could-swamp-some-new-zealand-cities
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The current BMW M5 can do it. The portly Grand Cherokee Trackhawk can do it in 3.5, the equally plump X5M in 3.7. Note that you have to get the Model 3 Performance to get the 3.1 0-60, Standard Range is 5.3, Long Range is 4.2 (about the same as my SRT).
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They do in fact have electric heaters (resistive elements) and in fact the fitment of heat pumps to EV's is quite new.
That's the problem, the regulation trend seems determined to bring extinction of ICE vehicle. I'd love to have a choose where I can use EV for daily commute and a V6/V8 for fun drive.
@4WD, my post was meant to be joking about the CA weather. And solar panels are a nobrainer around here due to the high cost of electricity.You guys are one percent or two percent (worst case) income bracket right … ? Good for you, do quite well myself. But once the “pushers” find out most can’t afford EV’s to hit targets - many tax dollars will blow in the wind …
(hit it Bob Dylan)
Additionally, it seems to me that there are a lot of misconceptions surrounding EVs. Especially charging and range anxiety. I learned a lot. It is not what I thought...
EVs are in their infancy as mass produced cars. Prices will continue to come down and efficiency will go up. Charging will evolve. I decided to become an early adopter for several reasons.
Finally, EVs are not for everyone. I do not subscribe to the 1 size fits all model. I am not sure why many naysayers seem to. Every EV owner I know has another vehicle.
Yep, I think I "need" to keep an ICE around for a while to come, long road trips or dead of winter. But, knowing me, once that ICE starts sitting around a lot of the time, I might start wishing for it too to go away.
As much as I'd like to keep around a long distance travel vehicle, truth is, I haven't gone on a long road trip in years.
We will see old, beaten-up Nissan Leafs/GM Volt drive 50mph on a 70mph highway because inadequate battery power. It's already happened on my commute.
Of course there's likely lots of 'if and when', but if auto manufacturers do indeed kiss government ass and go the total EV route I imagine sales will seriously dwindle as many people like me will hang on to used ICE vehicles and maximize that longevity and refuse to go the EV route as long as possible.
How much wattage do they pull? And when everything that heats that vehicle is running full tilt in below zero weather, how much does it decrease the range, especially when you factor in the poor battery performance in the frigid conditions?
I hear this a lot. (Several times just in this thread). The question is why? The answer is obvious. It's because EV's can't do what gasoline / Diesel vehicles can. So you have to have 2 vehicles, so the fossil fueled one can pick up the slack. That seems like a lot of things. But "green" and cost effective sure aren't 2 of them.
It snowed in 1976 in what was to become Silicon Valley. I drove to work in it. I was wanting to make my own ev out of an abandoned Cushman delivery vehicle that was sitting for years. People laughed.
Overkill is quite right. The heat pump is a new feature on the Model 3. For really cold days the Tesla will (presumably) be back to resistive heating. For the rest of the time (meaning most of the time for most of you, and all of the time for me) the heat pump will be more efficient.
And while heat is 'free' with an ICE I seem to recall my mileage/range taking a big hit on really cold days.
No one is saying the current EVs are the solution for every problem. I have 2 ICE vehicles in addition to the Tesla. If I lived in a really cold climate I might drive one of them on a really cold day, or on a long trip when I needed the range. Meanwhile 90+% of my driving will be with the Tesla.
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A big part of that is also "winter gas".
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As Jeremy Clarkson said: difference is like making potato in agda for 2hrs or 5 min in microwave.
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