Motor Trend and Car and Driver are promoting EV`s while hastening their own demise. We will at some point have one but not until the batteries improve to 500 plus miles for NH to FL trips.
How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?
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Unless you live in a home that does not accommodate it, or you have an overnight power outage, or a nefarious neighbor who unplugs it, or a fire that burns your house down when your EV spontaneously combusts...
Or if a gang of hardcore bunnies comes by in the middle of the night and chews the wire to show you it's their turf. Or if the local white tail population all contract COVID, they die, resurrect into zombie deer who then smash the windows to your beloved EV. Or if a freak July snowstorm comes through and dumps 6' of snow on the power plant, causing a shutdown that lasts for months.
Come on. Just say you don't want one. No need to blame it on your nefarious neighbor.
Funny that your username ends in "InCharge", though.
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His username was a TV show when I was a kid:Funny that your username ends in "InCharge", though.
How cold(outside) does the heat pump continue to work?
When I had a heat pump heated home, I know even the "new" one I put in I think in 2018 would only work reliably down to about 20ºF.
Especially cold months were often an electric bill shock. When I had a smart meter installed, I could easily see exactly when the furnace would kick on the resistive heater by the spike in power used, and it tracked very closely with the manufacturer claimed lower limit on the pump.
For some areas of the country, I know that's not a big deal. In Kentucky, where we'd maybe have a month of temperatures that low overnight, it was an annoyance but not huge.
Here right in the middle of the country, we're dealing days that are 80º at 6AM with high 70º dewpoints, and temperatures flirting with 100º most days. It's easy to forget that 6 months ago, we had about a 3 week stretch where we only saw double digit temperatures a couple of days(and a few days where we were lucky to be above zero). My sister in law is on a heat pump/electric and their electric bills were huge that month. Our gas furnace just kept trucking along.
Or if a gang of hardcore bunnies comes by in the middle of the night and chews the wire to show you it's their turf. Or if the local white tail population all contract COVID, they die, resurrect into zombie deer who then smash the windows to your beloved EV. Or if a freak July snowstorm comes through and dumps 6' of snow on the power plant, causing a shutdown that lasts for months.
Come on. Just say you don't want one. No need to blame it on your nefarious neighbor.
Funny that your username ends in "InCharge", though.
No need for the condescending personal attacks and mockery. Unless I suppose you're totally out of legit points to make, which are admittedly almost none.
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EV’s - just like “green” power gen has been moving forward at a manageable pace as companies try to balance the spreadsheets … It’s the ”help” we can’t discuss here that I’m sure will mess things up …
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Hey, Charles. Sorry you thought there were some personal attacks in there! Mockery...yes. No personal attacks, though. Just some tongue-in-cheek pokes at the totally legit points you made.
EVs aren't for everybody. Different strokes for different folks. If you don't want one...great! (I don't have one either.)
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C'mon man. Everyone knows that only happens in Silicon Valley. And the snow freezes my solar panels in August.
I hate it when that happens...
But I'm still gonna get me a Model 3 Performance when the new batteries come out... Yeah baby!
I guess it's inevitable, however, I'll be 74 next month, been driving ICE vehicles since I was 14. I have driven 2 electric vehicles, including a Tesla and a Leaf. Both left me with the impression I was driving an appliance. We live in a townhouse with no practical way to charge an EV without running a power cord across the sidewalk or spending a lot of money trenching an outlet to our parking area. Locally there isn't much in the way of changing stations and I'm not excited about wasting what's left of my life standing around waiting for my car to charge and the range of affordable EV's is insufficient for our needs. I've driven mostly Hondas which were ULEV so I have no "Eco-guilt". Personally, i think we're being forced into something that is difficult, expensive and impractical that we're not ready for yet. Who knows, I still may get that Corvette I've always wanted.
Some time ago there were people against ICE. Horses are much better, just feed and groom them. No need to fill them with stinky gasoline or diesel (actually some of the early cars were electric)… Anyway, not trying to argue which are greener, people tend to forget about all the pollution to make gas or diesel cars and fuel for them and deliver it to fuel station. Anyway my cars where chosen because it is cheaper to run in a long run in terms of fuel/maintenance. P.S. Volt in my sig will be replaced by BEV, cybertuck, ioniq 5 of f150 EV are primary candidates atm.
Lol, they will stop SELLING them in 2030. By the time you can't buy a used one most of us will be dead.
Unfortunately the University of Facebook seems to be the most popular source of that, noting that no one is telling you how to reduce the use of fossil fuels, you are free to choose any method you like. EVs are an easy choice if the power source is green, not so otherwise.
Without understanding the reasons for strongly reducing CO2 emissions either the support or dismissal of EVs is nothing more than personal preference, as many posts imply. It's unfortunate that many parts of the world still have mostly non-renewable electricity supplies. But for some countries using an EV is a free ticket to retaining the entitlement of a modern lifestyle guilt free.
Here in NZ we have 80% renewable power and I owe it to my nieces and nephews to not contribute to an irreversible problem.
China is going to walk away with the lucrative EV market while the rest of the world twiddles its thumbs because they can't see the forest for the trees.
I didn't say EVs or heat pumps were for everyone. Our climate is mild summer and winter. Heat pumps work great here year 'round.
We heat our house with a heat pump. It works well down to at least -10C ( +14 F). And it almost never gets as low as -10C here. A really cold night would be -5C. I keep rainwater in outdoor barrels all winter. The heat pump on our house has saved us a bucket of money.
I don't know how low the Tesla heat pump will work. But you're right, it will have to use resistive heating below some temperature and that would be much less energy efficient.
How much of your annual driving is actually below -10C? Mine is 0%.
Hybrids are the answer, not EVs.
Added note, I saw a video of a guy who had a new Tesla, a rock came up and hit the battery cooling pipe nipple that goes into the battery box and took it out. Coolant all over the road. He towed it into Tesla to get it fixed on warranty and they came back saying that will be $22,000 for a new battery. Not our problem a rock hit your coolant nipple. ***, why is there not a 1/4 steel plate in front of that coolant nipple. Sorry, $ 22,000 please to get you EV running. No questions asked. Boy that’s going to go over good with the poor. So you say that’s nor al EV , I agree.
Hyundai as usual has major warranty issue on EV batterys. They are spending 1 billion dollars to replace 76,000 EV battery’s at $13,300. Just think of all the lithium is wasted. Then I think 10 years from now when you know who demand only EV sales allowed let alone the better idea, a hybrid. With MASSIVE use of lithium the Kona battery should be at $30,000, and the Tesla battery will be $60,000 to replace since there will. Ot be too much lotus around by then. So let’s go to war to get lithium from countries. Bomb and pillage them for their lithium. Sorey EV is not the answer, hybrids make far more sense. But NO, that is utopian enough for the Gods. I digress.
The Tesla guy found a Youtuber Tesla rebuilder that fixed it for $700. But he knew the very rare place to get it fixed.The average Tesla owner would be stuck paying up.
Added note, I saw a video of a guy who had a new Tesla, a rock came up and hit the battery cooling pipe nipple that goes into the battery box and took it out. Coolant all over the road. He towed it into Tesla to get it fixed on warranty and they came back saying that will be $22,000 for a new battery. Not our problem a rock hit your coolant nipple. ***, why is there not a 1/4 steel plate in front of that coolant nipple. Sorry, $ 22,000 please to get you EV running. No questions asked. Boy that’s going to go over good with the poor. So you say that’s nor al EV , I agree.
Hyundai as usual has major warranty issue on EV batterys. They are spending 1 billion dollars to replace 76,000 EV battery’s at $13,300. Just think of all the lithium is wasted. Then I think 10 years from now when you know who demand only EV sales allowed let alone the better idea, a hybrid. With MASSIVE use of lithium the Kona battery should be at $30,000, and the Tesla battery will be $60,000 to replace since there will. Ot be too much lotus around by then. So let’s go to war to get lithium from countries. Bomb and pillage them for their lithium. Sorey EV is not the answer, hybrids make far more sense. But NO, that is utopian enough for the Gods. I digress.
The Tesla guy found a Youtuber Tesla rebuilder that fixed it for $700. But he knew the very rare place to get it fixed.The average Tesla owner would be stuck paying up.
All gasoline/diesel/gas cars 30-50 years ago. Maybe you loved steam cars. It’s the word forced which implies wrong doing. In this country no one can ever force you to buy a car. If later all companies stop making gas cars, well too bad you have to get one of the older ones. I don’t think it will happen in our lifetimes except by market forces. If EVs start pushing all the right buttons, the consumers will mean the demise of gas cars. I don’t think it’s even close as I know almost no one who cares about an EV. They aren’t interested. It has to be as perfected as gas as to convenience or forget about it. I mean we are in a world where people for the most part don’t even wash their dishes themselves. I do, and am going right now, no dishwasher in this old house.
Read for myself? I read it, and other things already, can’t see laws yet. Maybe I missed it. Plans, etc. They are always making plans and talking. Maybe it will be bills but that’s probably not going to make it to law. It really takes the war powers act to force a company to make a different product, doesn’t it? Unless it’s passed law, it’s really nothing.
This is the “all or nothing” mindset I was talking about. Someone street parking/living somewhere that doesn’t offer charging is obviously not really going to consider an EV. At least in my area, power outages are rare and short lived (less than 12 hours), for your average person they’ll still have plenty of charge left to get to and from work the next day unless they’re driving something like a Nissan Leaf and have to do more than 40 miles round trip.
At least in the case of Tesla’s, you can’t unplug it unless the key is nearby. A nefarious neighbor messing with a Tesla would also likely mess with your gas/hybrid/diesel powered vehicle as well.
Gas cars catch fire too, they just generally don’t make the news. Of all the vehicle fires in 2013-2017, 18% occurred in/on a residential street, road, or driveway while another 16% occurred in vehicle parking areas per the NFPA. 47% of those fires in 2013-2017 were caused by mechanical failures and malfunctions. Electrical was 2nd with 21%.
LOL. So pretty much anyone who lives in an apartment, condo, or townhouse without ability to charge is out. That's probably 50% of the population.
How about the huge percent (35%) that live and do things in very remote rural areas where there's long distances between towns, limited phone reception, very limited recharging stations, and being stranded is very very bad? If you have a gasoline car, you fill up the tank regularly. What do you do with an EV?
Power outages are indeed rare, but I've lived thru a half dozen or more that were very long, measured in 1-5 days. I prefer to be with a car even when the power is out. YMMV.
Many, many times in my life (hundreds) I've had to drive more than the maximum range of my gas tank, or what would be the range of an EV. Doesn't matter if it's full at the start, one must stop and refuel. I've driven probably hundreds of times starting with a full tank, and refueling at least one time during the trip. So if you have an EV, you're pretty much screwed. If you EV has a 400 mile range, cut that in half, and then to be safe deduct 10% again. Now your range going somewhere is ~150 miles, so you have enough energy to return. Not very far, that's about 2 hours out, and 2 hours back to be safe and not get stranded. I can drive confidently 10 hours, 20 hours, heck for days in any direction without worry of not being able to refuel.
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You guys are one percent or two percent (worst case) income bracket right … ? Good for you, do quite well myself. But once the “pushers” find out most can’t afford EV’s to hit targets - many tax dollars will blow in the wind …
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Right now I drive a 2020 Audi A4 with a 150,000 mile extended warranty. I expect my next car will be a Tesla Model 3 or equivalent. A Tesla Model 3 is capable of 3.1 sec 0-60 and a top speed of 162 MPH. I cannot think of a single stock car from 1960 - 2010 that had that level of performance. Heck, I'm not sure any current IC vehicle is capable of that. If it is, it's one of those supercars that retail for north of $300,000.
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