How Many Here Are Turned Off By Electric Vehicles ?

[sk_pete]

Don't know off the top of my head, but let's say it's a 4kW heater, the battery in an Audi e-tron is 95kWh, so even if it ran for an hour straight at full bore, consuming 4kWh, it's barely touched the battery.

Does it reduce range? Absolutely. but it's not as dramatic as you think it is. EV's are very well insulated (my e-tron was a tank) and so keeping the interior warm isn't like trying to heat a clapped out '84 Olds Wagon where you can literally feel the wind coming in the doors.

big problem on the logic is that if i have budget for 15000€ car, i can´t afford 30000€ electric toy with common 40-50kwh......

my old smartphone has 3rd lipo in it... because batteries swell over time and degrade...
and i do not store it outside in heat or freeze !! i hope people get my point.
anyways, guarantee is 160 000km or just 6years........

 

[PandaBear]

A quick glance at California, it seems they can't afford it. Transmission is expensive, and is typically covered via another charge, not the per kWh rate. In Ontario, it is paid for through delivery, which does have a consumption component, on top of a base rate, but it's separate from what we pay per kWh and we don't know what the consumption component actually is.

Transmission is covered in the per kwh rate and it is about 50% of the total electric rate.

 

[UncleDave]

Pie in the sky=You mentioned Austin a few times so surely you stopped at Buc-ees … Once he’s ready to charge EV’s - betting you’ll plug in and go use the clean restrooms, eat & relax in the restaurant, and then go shopping …
He will have 100+ Rapid chargers knowing this guy …

Love Bucees

When the women make you stop there - you've got a good deal.

The clean restrooms get them every time.

 

[PandaBear]

Unless you live in a home that does not accommodate it, or you have an overnight power outage, or a nefarious neighbor who unplugs it, or a fire that burns your house down when your EV spontaneously combusts...

EV doesn't spontaneously combust. Defective EV (Chevy bolt? volt?) does, as do defective gasoline vehicle like that Ford something something with a leaking brake booster.

 

[SeaJay]

Just imagine if all of the houses in our country in places where heat is needed were switched from either oil (diesel fuel) or natural gas to electric. Yep, the burning of fossil fuels will go down tremendously. But is there enough wind and solar to replace all of that fuel?

Absent nuclear or some radical technology that we do not know about today, I doubt seriously if wind, solar and dams (which are drying up by the way) could possible replace all of that fossil fuel. Yes we can move in the right direction, but at some point we will max out on electricity produced by wind, solar and dams. Ain't nobody got the answer yet to this question except to hope and pray that a new energy producing technology is discovered.

 

[sk_pete]

EV doesn't spontaneously combust

google has nice pics and videos telling otherwise......

anyway, dino cars have plastic tank, and never this was an issue..... neither metal lpg tanks in car crashes...

 

[edyvw]

Darn, my car is dead. NO power. lol.
Dude with the lifted F150 and a full gas can and chain saw looks like a champ!

I wouldn’t go that far. 95% of dudes with F150 own that vehicle for the same reason 95% of Tesla owners own their vehicle: fashion statement. I lived in south east long enough to realize that those dudes don’t fare any better than EV dudes.
But, question that is there is: what happens in case of evacuation of large city? Two small kids in a car in 95-100f temperature, 95% humidity, and crawl that can last 6+ hours? Until we resolve that issue, from policy perspective there is no way to mandate EV’s. EU countries can do that bcs. climate, public transportation etc. But here in the US, it is impossible.

 

[OVERKILL]

Transmission is covered in the per kwh rate and it is about 50% of the total electric rate.

Clearly, that needs to be increased, lol.

 

[Jimmy_Russells]

Darn, my car is dead. NO power. lol.
Dude with the lifted F150 and a full gas can and chain saw looks like a champ!

The F150 Lightning can power an average home for four days.

Around here, using an electric vehicle is kind of a no brainer. Even though we don't have one, if my wife wasn't going off into the boonies every weekend, we absolutely would. It is roughly 1/8 the cost of gasoline to go the same distance on electricity in this area, and our electricity is purely hydro.

 

[OVERKILL]

big problem on the logic is that if i have budget for 15000€ car, i can´t afford 30000€ electric toy with common 40-50kwh......

my old smartphone has 3rd lipo in it... because batteries swell over time and degrade...
and i do not store it outside in heat or freeze !! i hope people get my point.
anyways, guarantee is 160 000km or just 6years........

I'm not sure what your comment on price has to do with my reply to him about the power consumption of an electric heater?

 

[PandaBear]

Hybrids are the answer, not EVs.

Added note, I saw a video of a guy who had a new Tesla, a rock came up and hit the battery cooling pipe nipple that goes into the battery box and took it out. Coolant all over the road. He towed it into Tesla to get it fixed on warranty and they came back saying that will be $22,000 for a new battery. Not our problem a rock hit your coolant nipple. ***, why is there not a 1/4 steel plate in front of that coolant nipple. Sorry, $ 22,000 please to get you EV running. No questions asked. Boy that’s going to go over good with the poor. So you say that’s nor al EV , I agree.

Hyundai as usual has major warranty issue on EV batterys. They are spending 1 billion dollars to replace 76,000 EV battery’s at $13,300. Just think of all the lithium is wasted. Then I think 10 years from now when you know who demand only EV sales allowed let alone the better idea, a hybrid. With MASSIVE use of lithium the Kona battery should be at $30,000, and the Tesla battery will be $60,000 to replace since there will. Ot be too much lotus around by then. So let’s go to war to get lithium from countries. Bomb and pillage them for their lithium. Sorey EV is not the answer, hybrids make far more sense. But NO, that is utopian enough for the Gods. I digress.

The Tesla guy found a Youtuber Tesla rebuilder that fixed it for $700. But he knew the very rare place to get it fixed.The average Tesla owner would be stuck paying up.

The problem is with Tesla, not EV in general. The way I see it, cars will depreciate differently if they are EV and they would end up depreciate like phone, not based on whether they are still drivable but how much life is left in the battery. On the plus side we know how much it would be and we will have plenty of bumper cars for youth to drive around and crash in, and plenty of parts to swap if you get into accident from junkyard, but on the minus side your car will last a predictable amount of time like a used computer back in the 90s. On some model I can see they swap battery but I don't see it being the most popular choices. They would just sell these short range old EV to the slum people and end up as mobile homeless shelter that gets charged twice a day, and drug dealer would probably use the self driving to deliver their stuff without being inside the car at the same time.

Pay the cobalt miner, or the oil company, one way or another you are paying someone.

 

[PandaBear]

google has nice pics and videos telling otherwise......

anyway, dino cars have plastic tank, and never this was an issue..... neither metal lpg tanks in car crashes...

I can google smart phone exploding all over the internet too. It is time you toss yours in the e waste bin and go back to the land line.

 

[PimTac]

So, what people of NOLA have to say about EV’s this morning?

I have read that the main transmission lines that cross the Mississippi River have collapsed. Nobody is going to be charging their Tesla for quite some time.

 

[PandaBear]

Serious question. How often do you need to accelerate to 60 in 3.1 seconds, where accelerating to 60 in say 5 or 7 seconds wouldn't suffice?

It sure seems to me that the most important features are:
1. Reliability - EVs are not even close yet, very much infants
2. Range - that's a laugh. You are limited to 150-200 mile trips if you plan to return on the same trip without an extended stop. Probably hundreds of times in my life I've need to go further and return, same day, with minimal stopping. So an EV is useless.
3. Amazingly quick speed - In many decades of driving, not once has 2 seconds quicker helped me in any appreciable way.
4. Safety - EVs are spontaneously combusting, passengers are sitting on a chemical bomb that if punctured can erupt in flames, and self driving cars are hitting people. Just today, a headline of a Tesla self driving car causing an accident. No thanks. Oh, and gasoline is dangerous. No doubt.
5. EVs are not more environmentally friendly. It just shifts around the various harm to the environment from a gas pump to an electric outlet and from oil fields to strip mining heavy metals.
6. Affordability. EVs are not affordable to buy, own, or repair, nor will they last as long as ICE vehicles. Mark my words.

Seriously. People talked about how hybrid would be unreliable decades ago and then Prius came out and everyone stopped arguing on that. The reliability problem is Tesla problem, or Chevy problem, or Hyundai problem, but if Prius can be reliable EV (basically a hybrid with the engine taken out) can too.

I always LOL when people talk about acceleration isn't important and affordability is poor on EV, then go around and bought a V6 / V8 pickup truck that cost 60k.

I like my Prius, I don't think I'll buy a Tesla or a crew cab pickup anytime soon, I just drive what make sense right now and will keep my option open for the future.

 

[E365]

Can someone provide an example of a law anywhere in the world where the government will TAKE AWAY you ICE vehicle? “They’re forcing EVs on us”. That’s the way most people are talking here - I’ve never seen such a thing.

GM wants to sell EVs only by 2035. They’re ahead of the game, and most others are 2040 or later. The average age of a car in the US is around 12 years. So most people are looking around 2050 until they have no choice but to buy an EV. You’ll be fine. Settle down

 

[UncleDave]

So, you need a bunch of natural gas, and a generator, to charge your EV. And you need to remain stationary while charging, for hours. Running a generator. Outdoors. Maybe in the rain. lol.

ICE: Just need some planning ahead and a full gas can. Takes 1 minute to put in the tank and keep going.

The latter is a lot more freedom of movement, esp. in a crisis.

NG is piped to my place and the whole house genset runs on it.

the car is stationary every night anyway, you dont drive your car while you are sleeping either.

Where is your car 50% of its life? - in your driveway/ garage.

It doenst take 1 minute to fill an ice car - you have to go to where the fuel is because it isnt at your house.
It takes a few minutes to fill once you get to it and pay, but you have to get there, and get back home.


If the fuel station is down because it doenst have power and you waited to long to fill up whats your strategy?

 

[edyvw]

I have read that the main transmission lines that cross the Mississippi River have collapsed. Nobody is going to be charging their Tesla for quite some time.

Nope, they won’t.

 

[Nick1994]

Can someone provide an example of a law anywhere in the world where the government will TAKE AWAY you ICE vehicle? “They’re forcing EVs on us”. That’s the way most people are talking here - I’ve never seen such a thing.

GM wants to sell EVs only by 2035. They’re ahead of the game, and most others are 2040 or later. The average age of a car in the US is around 12 years. So most people are looking around 2050 until they have no choice but to buy an EV. You’ll be fine. Settle down

Doesn't exist. Lots of conspiracy theorists out there.

ICE vehicles will probably make a comeback once the charging infrastructure isn't good enough (it is currently) and customers don't buy them.

Car sales will all depend on market demand.

 

[edyvw]

NG is piped to my place and the whole house genset runs on it.

the car is stationary every night anyway, you dont drive your car while you are sleeping either.

Where is your car 50% of its life? - in your driveway/ garage.

It doenst take 1 minute to fill an ice car - you have to go to where the fuel is because it isnt at your house.
It takes a few minutes to fill once you get to it and pay, but you have to get there.


If the fuel station is down because it doenst have power and you waited to long to fill up whats your strategy?

People exposed to constant natural disasters, for the most part have strategy.
Back up fuel one can bring in vehicle during evacuation, but I am sorry to say, you won’t be hauling generator in your Tesla.

 

[PandaBear]

I think what a lot of Tesla fanboi's (not that you are a fanboi, Mr. KnickKnack) don't see is that most of the push back against EV's is that the rest of us see them being jammed down our throats in the near future when they are no where near to being a replacement for ICE cars in functionality or suitability.

You need to chill. If the tech is not ready there would be lobbying to stop it.

Remember EV1? It went away when the law in California to mandate EV was eventually repealed. We end up with some good gas car later and people keep driving better and better gas car, but the tech invented for EV1 era cars end up in Prius later on, and the one in Prius end up in other EVs later on.