But what happens to the battery at year 8 when it needs replacement? And does the car simply go to an early grave due to depreciation at that point? Old obsolete technology to expensive to fix? If the answers are not favorable for these important questions, then the ICE vehicle that is fixable and cost efficient is the clear lifecycle winner and the clear environmental winner, since ICE vehicles are designed to run 300k miles and last 30 years or more.
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But what happens to the battery at year 8 when it needs replacement? And does the car simply go to an early grave due to depreciation at that point? Old obsolete technology to expensive to fix? If the answers are not favorable for these important questions, then the ICE vehicle that is fixable and cost efficient is the clear lifecycle winner and the clear environmental winner, since ICE vehicles are designed to run 300k miles and last 30 years or more.
I'm a little late to this thread, but I love 'em for the following reasons:
1) Stupidly fast
2) Perfect "throttle" response
3) No downshifting
4) Quiet inside
5) Stupidly fast
All the other points are valid, and that's why I don't own one (yet).
Got data that indicates they were designed to run 300k & last 30 years?
I wonder, too…
Ford claims “4 days”.
4 days of what, exactly? Fridge? lights?
In Vermont, I had a generator. Ice storms, in particular, as well as blizzards, would bring down the power for days when trees took out power lines.
The transfer panel had only the essential circuits: Fridge, interior bathroom lights, well pump, septic pump, furnace and heat circulator pumps. But that would be a large drain on a Li-ion battery in cold Vermont weather. I really doubt that you would get four days out of it then.
The beauty of a gasoline generator in that scenario was that the gasoline stations usually had power even if my house didn’t, so refueling and maintaining essential power wasn’t an issue.
Evacuation was also never considered.
Do we really care about 1 of the EV in a 2 or 3 car household if we are evacuating a hurricane? What about people living in apartment with no car? If they can get out alive why would people living in apartment with 1 car be in any problem?
The folks doing that are called “hypermilers”
There is at least one “hypermiler” getting above 40mpg with his 600hp manual corvette , I’m guessing you’ve never noticed him driving 45mph on the highway.
These folks don’t drive slow because the battery sucks (maybe the Leaf since they are all defective) but drive slow to save energy between charges.
If I was patient my old Honda could top 100mpg on a tank but who wants to drive 40mph?
The “Sparkie” the 438,000 mile Volt is getting nearer 500,000 miles after a transmission replacement
Battery is original, my guess is you figure every ICE that needs transmission repair is immediately crushed?
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I am not sure whether VA requires gas stations to have independent source of electricity, but FL does. I know some don’t have it, but by law they should.
I mean, I get the trend where this is going. But, either we have folks arguing coal rolling is their constitutional right or folks arguing we will all die in terrible death unless EV.
In 20 years, after several policy failures cost some folks on both sides to lose politically, we will settle on hybrids until we figure out all these answers.
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That would be separate issue. I can tell you based on my work, there are numerous issues far more important when it comes to Louisiana and any natural disaster. But, we are discussing EV’s.
How do you know this was self driving?
And no, you do not have to purchase driver assist, at least in a Tesla. Many don't.
And many cars have self driving, not just EVs, right?
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I really don't think I'm being a chicken little, here. Our state legislature (Washington) passed a law this year banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2030. It was vetoed by the governor, not because he didn't like it, but because the law was contingent on a per mile road tax passing a popular vote. They'll pass it again next year and make it stick.
Building materials are expensive and scarce as it is. Much like ammunition. Now with this hurricane I can just imagine how high they'll go.... Assuming you can even find them. Today it's almost gotten to the point, if you want to show off to people just how wealthy you are, you shoot a box of 9 MM into a sheet of plywood.
Yup. 100 million cars on the road that are probably near, at, or over 30 years and/or 300k. Standby, and I'll get you 100 million VIN numbers. lol.
Data?? Yeah, I have lived in society for more than 10 minutes.
Average age today of cars on the road is 12 years. Doing a bell curve that means there are a lot of cars over 24 years old. There's zero less than 0 years old. I'm not super smart but this seems quite elementary.
None of which matter, at all, except to a very sliver of % of the population. And when they see the pricetag, or wrestle with the lack of practicality, the sliver is reduced to a fraction of that sliver.
Most likely for ICE only, hybrid still fine.
Whether governments do it or auto manufacturers do it, it's all going to get phased out anyway. ICE only probably in the next 10-15 years (aside from work trucks, equipment etc) and hybrids probably 5-10 years after that.
We have been talking about this average thing for a long time now, this is not how average works, and the distribution curve doesn't work that way.
Let's say someone abandon a 40 year old crown vic in their backyard and they have 2 6 year old cars, the average would be (6 + 6 + 40) / 3 but the road worthy part of the math is really (6 + 6) / 2. Most people drive the newer cars in their household and rarely drive the oldest of the pool.
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About a year ago, 25% of 280 million registered vehicles were over 16 years old. I'd be surprised if the number for 30 years was anywhere near 100 million today.
25% of cars in the U.S. are at least sixteen years old as vehicle age hits record high
Yes, EV have been around for a century. But in the early days, there were no gas stations and only the very rich had cars.
The EV mass produced technology has evolved pretty darn quick.
I don't know about all EVs, but Teslas are extremely reliable. Power, and handling in any Model 3 is amazing. Maintenance includes cabin air filter and lubing brake components in cold climates. Can my car tow? No, but neither can the TSX. Corvette, 4-4-2. The Tundra can, up to a point. I tow once every 5 years or so...
I charge at home when I am not using the car. An ICE vehicle spends tons more time fueling up unless you have your own gas tank...
Personally, if I am going any distance, I get on a plane. I could use the RX, but my time is pretty valuable to me.
I rarely drive over 300 miles in 1 day.
No one said EVs are for everyone. And I have stated I live in the Silicon Valley bubble. I get that.
If an EV is not for you, or whatever, good; don't buy one.
But apparantly others love their Teslas. They have the highest customer satisfaction of any car at any price.
With more pistons and toys than just about anyone I love my oil. Check my sig line - I can never be called green.
Iv never espoused trying to make EV' fit where they dont work. Well be dealing with fossil fuels a long long time.
You've also never seen me push them "because green"
I like them because of their flexibility (for me) and superior driving dynamics.
The data Ive seen behind Ev's is the they are dirtier to make but there is a break even that occurs as consumption takes hold.
Im not certain you are correct.
Engineering explained makes a strong case for where this breakeven is between a model 3 and a hybrid toyota in terms of total CO2.
If you care about green the EV gets more green over time as production of power shifts.
Im totally open to looking at any comprehensive breakdowns you'd like to post on the matter of cradle to grave pollution/emissions.
The new Ford F-150 comes in a Hybrid model that offers a built in generator up to 7,200 watts, (7.2 KW).
https://camperreport.com/2021-f150-ford/#:~:text=The new onboard generator comes,a full tank of gas.
My neighbor that has a Prius and he mentioned being open minded about getting a F150 hybrid if it can tow to replace his Suburban in a while. I don't know the maintenance night mare the hybrids are, but his Prius is interesting I have enjoyed it the several times I drove it.
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