Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: JHZR2
And frankly, when I pay $100/night for service, I expect that everyone, cleaning maids included, can address me and hold a conversation to meet my needs for service during a stay. No "no speekee english" to get out of work. I see it at the hotel, I see it at the supermarket, etc.
Ah.... So you finally spoke your mind. You demand to be pampered when you are spending a grand $100 a night.
Now if you spend $100 a night and a blonde with French Maid uniform cleans your room, but is an illegal, will you "suddenly" forgive all wrong?
What if you spend $100 a night but a grumpy, fat, unattractive middle age woman cleans your room, but is an honest Puerto Rican (American) citizen who couldn't speak English doing her job? Will you still feel like you're ripped off?
Seriously, what are you upset about? You paid your money and got a place to sleep that's up to industrial standard, and you had lots of choices in hotels and you've already made the decision that's the most reasonable. Maybe what you demand is unrealistic, maybe you are too cheap, or both. Yes, it is an industrial wide issues where low skill labors are done by illegal these days, I get it, and I'm not denying it.
But you, being a mod, should know to separate personal political / what not from creeping into a non political thread. I'd understand if a newbie would get confused but why in the world would you bring illegal immigration issues into hotel death / hygine? then call it an epidemic and all sorts of stuff? Would you, the mod, lock the thread when you see this?
Maybe you should stay in Bed and Breakfast next time to put money where you mouth is.
OK, why dont we start with the basics. Go back and read the OP. Is what YOU are posting about relevant?
As far as your post, if I had said that I spent $397.43 per night, would it have made any difference? Nope. Anybody with much sense knows that hotel costs vary widely depending upon location, and a nice hotel might be $100 in the boonies and $500 in the center of a major city. Amazing that it even requires typing and explanation. The point is that as a paying customer, I can rightfully expect a level of service from the business and staff. If in asking a maid to change the sheets on my bed, I get a "no speeke english" response, is that service? Nope. And I DO "vote with my wallet" when it comes to businesses whose activities I dislike.
It was CivicFan and YOU that took the thread OT. It was going along just fine until then. And, frankly, nothing that you have added is constructive. Ive cited information and provided links to my point on one comment which youve turned into a page of irrelevant banter to the OP.
You also seem to not understand the difference between race and illegality. Your comment of "Now if you spend $100 a night and a blonde with French Maid uniform cleans your room, but is an illegal, will you "suddenly" forgive all wrong?" speaks volumes to your lack of understanding. What part of "ILLEGAL" do you not understand? What part of "SERVICE" don't you understand? If a legal person employed to serve my needs as a paying customer wont communicate, they are not doing a good job. If an illegal person is doing the job, well, they are ILLEGAL. That isnt very hard to comprehend. And my part calling out the service staff IS relevant, because if they cannot communicate with me, are they really going to be communicating and learning best practices from the english-speaking hotel staff? Data points to the negative. Would an English speaker do a better job? Not necessarily, but I would suggest that (1) sanitary standards are higher in the first world than third, and (2) it is much easier to get continuous improvement and training, as well as know how to properly do things if you can communicate and easily read the language written on the bottles that you are spraying. The unfortunate reality is that most who would look over a room would see it as "good enough", even if there are hidden glaring issues.
So Ill ask again, where is data or citable information proving me wrong? Reviewing this thread, I gave information about the issue, specifically in the hospitality industry. Others mentioned about the lack of cleanliness due to lack of changeouts of certain items, etc. What is found on surfaces, etc. NOT pleasant. Is this all related? YES! What you cite as "industry standard" you have no clue as to the fact of it being the case. And, unless youre a cleaning expert, dont have a clue about best practices in cleaning. But frankly, using rags that spread fecal matter and spraying a bunch of chemicals around to me is not best practice.
But back to the crux of the matter, perhaps before being a founding party to taking a thread way off topic, you should consider the level of content that you have to add, and if it is constructive to the argument. All I see is that you fail to dissociate legality from race, and so spiral the thread into an entirely irrelevant discussion. You mention lock the topic, but it was going fine until you started chiming in with all this. Perhaps all of your posts should be deleted, and the fact of police and crime scene investigation within hotels, and the cleaning practices afterwards can then be discussed fluently without distractions such as yours. Post on topic or stay out of the thread.
