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This is a very boring interaction; it's actually the way most events go between normal people and normal cops.

But the underlying issue is how she (the self-described victim of WWB - walking while black) exaggerated the event terribly, and could have cost the officers their jobs, or at least caused severe scrutiny and undue stress. She specifically stated that they used the siren (which clearly they did not), and she believes that their motive was simply to harass a black person walking. Here is her account in the editorial of the newspaper:
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest...while-black.ece

I fully admit that there are occasionally terrible acts that policemen commit on the undeserving; that is both a moral and legal tragedy. But this is the opposite end of the spectrum; they did their job for both her safety and the public well-being, and she blamed them for discriminating against her.

When you read her account, it is laced with both direct and indirect assertions that this was racially motivated and handled. She even stopped by the Mayor's place to ask if she looks like a criminal? Really? She is certainly playing this out in a bad light, as if the cops were the problem and she was an angel. To be clear, her transgression was minor, and the best resolution was that which took place; she was simply warned on the violation and advised how to be safer. So How does that morph into harassment and discrimination? And she feels as though she is now in the good company of Trayvon Martin and Freddie Gray? (BTW - she specifically mentions Trayvon Martin is part of the basis for her fears, but the cops were never involved in that shooting death; it was neighborhood watchman Zimmerman. But she has now cataloged that event in her mind as a police action shooting, even though there were NEVER involved).

And she's not some low-intelligence indigent goof-ball; she's probably not by any means a drag on society. She is a professor and dean at a college and used to edit a major newspaper. She appears to be well-spoken and likable. She's likely more educated than I, in terms of academic accomplishments. Her professional achievements might outwardly indicate she can articulately describe how life happens around her.

And yet when you read her account of the encounter, it's clear she believes she was discriminated against because of her race, and she indicates that she's afraid of cops and does not want to become the next dead black person on the news.

Facts:
- it is apparently illegal to walk down the middle of the street in TX; that's not unique. Most states are like that. You cannot impede traffic flow. There's a statute in most every state of a similar vain.
- she (Ms. Bland) was completely unaware that she caused a separate vehicle to have to yield to her, due to her violation, and that driver clearly indicated to the cops that he was perturbed by her oblivion
- the cops were polite and professional; she was polite, too, but perhaps a bit incredulous that she was being harassed (in her view)
- they could have taken official enforcement action; they wisely chose discretion and didn't make a federal case out of this (although her claims may well have led to a federal civil rights violation claim, if you were to believe her side of the story)
- they didn't freak out when she wanted their picture; most cops are getting very used to being "on camera" in a public sense. Plus her pictures would only compliment the police video, but still pics are no where as telling as A/V capture.
- did you notice there is a sidewalk on both sides of the street? And why wasn't she on the sidewalk?

I'm sure we're most all able to remember the horror of the Michael Brown issue in St. Louis, right? Officer Wilson was NOT aware that Brown was suspected in the strong-arm robbery just moments before. Wilson was approaching Brown because he and a friend were walking down the middle of the street! It was only AFTER the escalation of the event, culminating in the death of Brown, that Brown's indulgence in theft came to light. Wilson was simply telling two kids to not walk in the middle of the street. Brown became agitated, and it started into a fight for life for Wilson. Then Brown broke away, but then turned and charged Wilson (despite all the hands-up hoopla lies from some bystanders ...) We all know the story. But many focus on the singular moment of tradegy and forget all that led up to the event. Brown knew he had just stolen from a store, by force, and thought he was going to jail. Wilson had no idea that Brown was involved in that event, and was only warning him to get out of the street. Brown's own actions (his fear of reprisal for theft) caused the escalation, not Wilson's. Wilson reacted to Brown's actions. So ask yourself this ... how different would this have been if Wilson had a A/V system rolling when he first came up behind Brown? How different would it have been if, even off camera, the audio would have caught the struggle at the door, the warnings of Wilson to cease, and the video of Brown (who was much larger than Wilson and had just attacked Wilson) turning in defiance to charge Wilson?

I can tell you from my interactions it's becoming VERY common for people of all walks of life (pardon the pun there) to think that the street is their own personal medium for whatever they think is valid, as if it were somehow an extension of their private dwelling. People nowadays walk down the middle of the street, even if a sidewalk is present. People walk on the incorrect side of the road. People (too lazy to get out of their car) will pull up to the mailbox (going the wrong way against traffic) rather than just park in the drive and walk to the mailbox. Kids skateboard and such in the street and act as if the passing vehicles are intruding on their right to just hang out ...

It is also not at all rare to have third-party complaints about people that the subject/suspect is completely unaware of. Often people will be doing "nothing wrong" (in their mind), but someone else contacts law enforcement to complain. An example would be young kids ridding dirt-bikes on suburban side-streets. The kids think they are fine. The parents think they are OK because it's really just a cul-de-sac or such, but what they are unaware of is that it's illegal, and someone actually called and complained. But when a cop shows up to stop the activity, the subjects act as if the cop is singling them out for just relaxing on their dead-end street. How dare he? After all, if the family doesn't mind, then all the neighbors cannot possibly mind either, right? I have news for many of you; your neighbors "rat you out" (the colloquial term often cited by the violators) are most often the ones that call to complain. They won't 'fess up to your face, but their call is on record in the dispatch room! And so your perception is that cops are out to get you, when in reality we are serving the public complaint.


Do you recall the youtube videos of Eric Garner being "choked" in NYC this past year? The public videos were greatly edited to make the cops look bad; they deleted the repeated warnings by police for Garner to cease and comply. They never included the complaints of the shop-keepers about Garner's presence. They were a one-sided view of the police "attacking" Garner. Go back and watch them now that the drama has subsided; use your intellect and ask what is NOT included in the public inflammatory videos. If the cops had body cameras, then they would have showed a very different perspective. They are not, by law, allowed to edit or otherwise alter any recording of the event; it's seen in it's entirety. But because the cops didn't have A/V equipment, only the youtube viewpoint became prominent, and so they came under a terrible light.



Every cop should have access to A/V recording equipment. It will exonerate them FAR MORE OFTEN than it would convict them, because the VAST majority of the time, cops do the right thing. A/V recordings will support good officers, convict bad officers, and just maybe cause the "iffy" cops to act appropriately, because they know they are being recorded.


Bottom line is this; it really is a "he said; she said" world. And the best way to find the truth is to go to the tape and review the call, to put it in a sports perspective. But the only way to accomplish this is to have the A/V data in the first place!

At least this time, the cops were proven right. But how many times will this story be broadcast across the national news? How diligently will the media investigate this? Will this consume the national spot-light for weeks on end? Nope. Because her lies don't fit the narrative of oppression and discrimination.
 
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People need to assume they're always on camera, their texts, emails, and snapchats are archived forever.

People need to come down from cloud 9 and recognize a lawful order before it's repeated several times and ending with a beat-down. If one doesn't agree with it, at least acknowledge it, and repoint the conversation in that direction.

I was on a jury for an OUI where the cop forgot to load the tape for his dashcam at the start of his shift. Guy was (rightfully) acquitted. If the equipment is present it had better work or it looks REAL bad.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
People need to assume they're always on camera, their texts, emails, and snapchats are archived forever.



Including the moron cops(did not say all) who go crazy. They need to learn game over and don't act like an idiot as 50/50 chance you are on video.

They all are trained to be pro's in the beginning...
 
The downfall of western society can be partially attributed to social media and soundbite news. It has legitimized knee-jerk reactions and superficial judgment. No matter who you are.
 
The interesting thing with policing is that there are different standards. Hold a pba card? You may well not be cited even for a serious movin violation. Hold a "gold" (close family) card, it may be even less of a challenge. Policing does involve discretion p, even if some of it is lopsided and undeserved... I imagine the next thing is going to be public review of all stops. After all, "victims" of race X will state that they've been arrested on traffic stops disproportionately compare to others of race Y. Next thing you know cameras. Eco,e a basis for public review,maws ting taxpayer dollars.

But they have big benefit that outweighs that. Recently I heard around here there was a group of teens trying for unlocked parked cars to steal loose change and things of interest. They had hit like 30 cars before getting seen and caught. Apparently one teen got rowdy during the event, and the officer had to be a bit more physical,causing the teen to get an injury (a scrape that bled, IIRC). Everyone was concerned that the PD would be sued because of injury to a minor.

A camera showing the teen being obnoxious and rowdy and resisting arrest would have solved that.
 
My subdivison has sidewalks, but everyone seems to walk on the (wrong side) of the street, 2-3 wide sometimes, never thinking of moving over when a car comes.
When my family of 4 walk, we are on the sidewalk, kids in front of or behind us, my wife and I side by side. No problems at all with that.

As for the story, yes, the A/V makes a huge difference. For one, you can not tell the race of the person from behind, second it caught her illegal activity, third, it showed the officers were nothing but professional and nothing racial about the encounter from the officers side.
 
There is a segment of society that has declared open season on law enforcement, common sense and personal responsibility. While I agree that there are a few cases of officers who use poor judgement, the vast majority of officers are outstanding people who have an extremely difficult job. There is a segment of the population that chooses not to take responsibility for their actions, and end up with negative encounters with officers. They manage to blame anyone and everyone else but themselves when the blame rests solely on their own shoulders.

It's also fashionable in the current environment to play the race card, when the real problem is someone's actions and attitude, not their race or gender. An entitlement mentality has been fostered and nurtured for decades, and the current issues are a direct result. Like so many other issues, many people today don't take responsibility for their actions and have little or no self-discipline. Many segments of society have made this behavior acceptable, when it should be rejected.
 
Originally Posted By: wemay
The downfall of western society can be partially attributed to social media and soundbite news. It has legitimized knee-jerk reactions and superficial judgment. No matter who you are.


This.
 
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I was on a jury for an OUI where the cop forgot to load the tape for his dashcam at the start of his shift. Guy was (rightfully) acquitted. If the equipment is present it had better work or it looks REAL bad.


So if the defendant was drunk, an officer made an honest mistake, you feel its justified to let DUI driver go? I disagree. Highly disagree. I assume that the officer testified that field sobriety exercises were performed, the defendant performed poorly, and in the officers professional opinion, the defendant was operating a motor vehicle while over the legal limit. Potentially backed up by a breathalyzer or blood draw, unless the defendant refused.

FYI, there are thousands and thousands of DUI arrest every year in this country where there is no dash cam footage. Lots of agencies can't afford dash cams. I have 50+ DUI convictions, all without a dash cam or any video footage whatsoever. Didn't have a dash cam.

I'm a big fan of cameras, and would have worn one or used a dash cam, if they were available.
 
P.S. I think cameras are great. We the tax payers get to fund it, and it's not just the actual lapel cams and dash cams but the software and hardware back at HQ required to process, archive, and store the data. The PD in our town has, per the city attorney, deemed that all body cam and dash cam footage be kept for ten count 'em 10 years. Almost 300 sworn personnel, but obviously not all in patrol. Still, can you say server expense (or cloud fees)? And this in an era of [mostly justified] tax payer outrage over ever rising gov't taxation and spending. Lots of fun.
 
Sad thing--the lady was totally oblivious as to why the cops stopped her. You can see seconds before the tape ends, when the cops start moving back to their patrol car, that she is still babbling about being stopped for taking a walk in her own neighborhood. They explained clearly that she needed to walk on the other side, and that she forced a truck to come to a complete stop to avoid hitting her. Evidently that was too much information for a journalism professor/dean to process. She will milk this victimization story till the day she dies.
 
Originally Posted By: dnewton3
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/11/02/das.../?intcmp=hplnws

This is a very boring interaction; it's actually the way most events go between normal people and normal cops.

But the underlying issue is how she (the self-described victim of WWB - walking while black) exaggerated the event terribly, and could have cost the officers their jobs, or at least caused severe scrutiny and undue stress. She specifically stated that they used the siren (which clearly they did not), and she believes that their motive was simply to harass a black person walking. Here is her account in the editorial of the newspaper:
http://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/latest...while-black.ece

I fully admit that there are occasionally terrible acts that policemen commit on the undeserving; that is both a moral and legal tragedy. But this is the opposite end of the spectrum; they did their job for both her safety and the public well-being, and she blamed them for discriminating against her.

When you read her account, it is laced with both direct and indirect assertions that this was racially motivated and handled. She even stopped by the Mayor's place to ask if she looks like a criminal? Really? She is certainly playing this out in a bad light, as if the cops were the problem and she was an angel. To be clear, her transgression was minor, and the best resolution was that which took place; she was simply warned on the violation and advised how to be safer. So How does that morph into harassment and discrimination? And she feels as though she is now in the good company of Trayvon Martin and Freddie Gray? (BTW - she specifically mentions Trayvon Martin is part of the basis for her fears, but the cops were never involved in that shooting death; it was neighborhood watchman Zimmerman. But she has now cataloged that event in her mind as a police action shooting, even though there were NEVER involved).

And she's not some low-intelligence indigent goof-ball; she's probably not by any means a drag on society. She is a professor and dean at a college and used to edit a major newspaper. She appears to be well-spoken and likable. She's likely more educated than I, in terms of academic accomplishments. Her professional achievements might outwardly indicate she can articulately describe how life happens around her.

And yet when you read her account of the encounter, it's clear she believes she was discriminated against because of her race, and she indicates that she's afraid of cops and does not want to become the next dead black person on the news.

Facts:
- it is apparently illegal to walk down the middle of the street in TX; that's not unique. Most states are like that. You cannot impede traffic flow. There's a statute in most every state of a similar vain.
- she (Ms. Bland) was completely unaware that she caused a separate vehicle to have to yield to her, due to her violation, and that driver clearly indicated to the cops that he was perturbed by her oblivion
- the cops were polite and professional; she was polite, too, but perhaps a bit incredulous that she was being harassed (in her view)
- they could have taken official enforcement action; they wisely chose discretion and didn't make a federal case out of this (although her claims may well have led to a federal civil rights violation claim, if you were to believe her side of the story)
- they didn't freak out when she wanted their picture; most cops are getting very used to being "on camera" in a public sense. Plus her pictures would only compliment the police video, but still pics are no where as telling as A/V capture.
- did you notice there is a sidewalk on both sides of the street? And why wasn't she on the sidewalk?

I'm sure we're most all able to remember the horror of the Michael Brown issue in St. Louis, right? Officer Wilson was NOT aware that Brown was suspected in the strong-arm robbery just moments before. Wilson was approaching Brown because he and a friend were walking down the middle of the street! It was only AFTER the escalation of the event, culminating in the death of Brown, that Brown's indulgence in theft came to light. Wilson was simply telling two kids to not walk in the middle of the street. Brown became agitated, and it started into a fight for life for Wilson. Then Brown broke away, but then turned and charged Wilson (despite all the hands-up hoopla lies from some bystanders ...) We all know the story. But many focus on the singular moment of tradegy and forget all that led up to the event. Brown knew he had just stolen from a store, by force, and thought he was going to jail. Wilson had no idea that Brown was involved in that event, and was only warning him to get out of the street. Brown's own actions (his fear of reprisal for theft) caused the escalation, not Wilson's. Wilson reacted to Brown's actions. So ask yourself this ... how different would this have been if Wilson had a A/V system rolling when he first came up behind Brown? How different would it have been if, even off camera, the audio would have caught the struggle at the door, the warnings of Wilson to cease, and the video of Brown (who was much larger than Wilson and had just attacked Wilson) turning in defiance to charge Wilson?

I can tell you from my interactions it's becoming VERY common for people of all walks of life (pardon the pun there) to think that the street is their own personal medium for whatever they think is valid, as if it were somehow an extension of their private dwelling. People nowadays walk down the middle of the street, even if a sidewalk is present. People walk on the incorrect side of the road. People (too lazy to get out of their car) will pull up to the mailbox (going the wrong way against traffic) rather than just park in the drive and walk to the mailbox. Kids skateboard and such in the street and act as if the passing vehicles are intruding on their right to just hang out ...

It is also not at all rare to have third-party complaints about people that the subject/suspect is completely unaware of. Often people will be doing "nothing wrong" (in their mind), but someone else contacts law enforcement to complain. An example would be young kids ridding dirt-bikes on suburban side-streets. The kids think they are fine. The parents think they are OK because it's really just a cul-de-sac or such, but what they are unaware of is that it's illegal, and someone actually called and complained. But when a cop shows up to stop the activity, the subjects act as if the cop is singling them out for just relaxing on their dead-end street. How dare he? After all, if the family doesn't mind, then all the neighbors cannot possibly mind either, right? I have news for many of you; your neighbors "rat you out" (the colloquial term often cited by the violators) are most often the ones that call to complain. They won't 'fess up to your face, but their call is on record in the dispatch room! And so your perception is that cops are out to get you, when in reality we are serving the public complaint.


Do you recall the youtube videos of Eric Garner being "choked" in NYC this past year? The public videos were greatly edited to make the cops look bad; they deleted the repeated warnings by police for Garner to cease and comply. They never included the complaints of the shop-keepers about Garner's presence. They were a one-sided view of the police "attacking" Garner. Go back and watch them now that the drama has subsided; use your intellect and ask what is NOT included in the public inflammatory videos. If the cops had body cameras, then they would have showed a very different perspective. They are not, by law, allowed to edit or otherwise alter any recording of the event; it's seen in it's entirety. But because the cops didn't have A/V equipment, only the youtube viewpoint became prominent, and so they came under a terrible light.



Every cop should have access to A/V recording equipment. It will exonerate them FAR MORE OFTEN than it would convict them, because the VAST majority of the time, cops do the right thing. A/V recordings will support good officers, convict bad officers, and just maybe cause the "iffy" cops to act appropriately, because they know they are being recorded.


Bottom line is this; it really is a "he said; she said" world. And the best way to find the truth is to go to the tape and review the call, to put it in a sports perspective. But the only way to accomplish this is to have the A/V data in the first place!

At least this time, the cops were proven right. But how many times will this story be broadcast across the national news? How diligently will the media investigate this? Will this consume the national spot-light for weeks on end? Nope. Because her lies don't fit the narrative of oppression and discrimination.
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This lady could have considered walking on the available sidewalk. A sidewalk is easy to identify and is simple to use. Getting hit by a motor vehicle is something to be avoided. You could end up getting seriously killed or fatally injured while the driver was texting, drinking coffee, talking on a cell phone or doing something else while driving.
 
Originally Posted By: paulri
Sad thing--the lady was totally oblivious as to why the cops stopped her. You can see seconds before the tape ends, when the cops start moving back to their patrol car, that she is still babbling about being stopped for taking a walk in her own neighborhood. They explained clearly that she needed to walk on the other side, and that she forced a truck to come to a complete stop to avoid hitting her. Evidently that was too much information for a journalism professor/dean to process. She will milk this victimization story till the day she dies.
She was either out of it, or it was an attempted set up.
 
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Originally Posted By: bubbatime
Originally Posted By: eljefino
I was on a jury for an OUI where the cop forgot to load the tape for his dashcam at the start of his shift. Guy was (rightfully) acquitted. If the equipment is present it had better work or it looks REAL bad.


So if the defendant was drunk, an officer made an honest mistake, you feel its justified to let DUI driver go?


Absolutely! The whole case hinged on the defendant crossing the white fog line twice, to allow the initial pulling-over. It's something that would have been verified by the videotape. I believe in having probable cause or getting a case thrown out if the officer can't show this initial bit of professionalism... to the embarrassment of said officer. As a taxpayer I paid for those cameras to be installed and USED.

Defendant also refused a breathalyzer, so he had an administrative suspension of his license, and generally played his cards right. And he paid a bunch of money for a lawyer, so, well, he still got his, in a way.
 
Body camera or dash cam are good tools to show the action of Police officer and/or the other party. In this case the PO is totally justify with his action.

A little off topic: A Florida man killed by a plain cloth PO at 3 AM while waiting for a tow truck, without any video it is now he said she said situation. Whom do you trust ? The plain cloth PO account ? The victim is death so he couldn't say a thing.

Quote:
A plainclothes police officer who fatally shot a stranded motorist in Palm Beach Gardens, Fla., 10 days ago, apparently wasn’t qualified for his undercover surveillance assignment, according to documents obtained by Yahoo News.

The victim, Corey Jones, 31, a public-housing inspector and part-time musician, was waiting for a tow truck about 3:15 a.m. on Oct. 18 when he was shot multiple times by Palm Beach Gardens officer Nouman Raja.

Palm Beach Gardens chief Stephen Stepp said Raja, 38, told them he was “suddenly confronted by an armed subject” and fatally shot Jones.

Jones was licensed to carry a concealed gun and likely never knew he was being confronted by a police officer, said Benjamin Crump, a civil rights attorney who has represented the families of several slain African-Americans including Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown.

Raja, who pulled up in an unmarked van and got out wearing jeans, a T-shirt and a ball cap, never displayed his badge, Crump said last week after Florida’s 15th judicial circuit state attorney briefed him and the Jones family.

Jones, a drummer, was going home from a gig when his vehicle broke down. Images of the crime scene shot by WPBF-TV show Jones’ Hyundai Santa Fe on the ramp’s shoulder. The white van driven by Raja appears to have come up the ramp against traffic before parking perpendicular a few feet in front of Jones’ SUV.

The state attorney told the victim’s family that Raja shot six times and that Jones never fired his weapon. Jones’ body was discovered about 80 to 100 feet from his car with his gun found somewhere between.


http://news.yahoo.com/corey-jones-death-new-questions-about-the-latest-police-shooting-in-florida-215620083.html;_ylt=A86.J71X5DhWQTMAB8MnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTByb2lvbXVuBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzcg--
 
Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
An entitlement mentality has been fostered and nurtured for decades, and the current issues are a direct result



Agree with certain police departments and certain folks out there.
 
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