Home Invasion Robbery today :(

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Cutehumor,

It really doesn't matter what the wife thinks at this point (as she should have run through this decision when deciding whom to marry). The way you want to protect (or not protect) the household should be one of the top 5 items on a woman's list when shopping for a husband. Likewise, her reaction to how you will protect the household should have been on your radar as well. The bottom line is that tt is your role as the man to protect the household. Of course, there is also tact in how to approach this subject as well but the bottom line remains.
 
mori ..you just brought back memories of the she devil
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Speaking from experience, you have to seriously consider the fact that when someone breaks into your home and you have a gun, it's not a question of whether or not you're going to shoot them, because you will shoot them. You have to be prepared to live with the aftermath for the rest of your life.

Should you shoot to kill, or shoot to maim? To clarify without going into too many personal details, I've shot two human beings in my life. One died, the other is crippled for life. The one that died had a gun to my face in a store robbery. You will NEVER forget that you took a human life. EVER. No matter how justified you are in your defense. You need to be prepared for it. To this day I still wake up from nightmares where my gun jammed and the last thing I see is him pulling the trigger.

After you shoot someone in self defense, you will yourself be treated like a criminal. You will be taken down town and fingerprinted. Your gun will be taken and never returned, no matter how legal it is and how much paperwork you have. You will be threatened with manslaughter charges every step of the way.

The second time I had to shoot someone was in a home invasion. Without a second of hesitation I shot an intruder dressed all in black in my darkened living room. That individual today is still walking the streets of my hometown. Or should I say, limping the streets of my hometown. His charges were dropped due to being UNARMED when I shot him. Though I've never had so much as a speeding ticket in my life the fact that something similar happened ten years earlier to me had the judges considering whether I used excessive force in defending my home (BTW NC is NOT an equal force state). Had he died, I'm sure I would have been up for charges.

You have to examine the laws and precedence in your town or county when it comes to defending your property. The NRA does NOT have your back. They will write a little blurb in Freedom First about how another "hero" saves the day, but they turn the other cheek when you call on them for assistance. I know not all police stations are as crooked as the ones here but please consider all possible ramifications of bringing a gun into your home. In this political climate ALL gun owners are criminally suspect.

Having said that, the only thing I would change about my experience is to have been a little more "careful" in how I presented my circumstances to the law. If someone's coming at you with a crowbar it's a lot easier to claim self defense than if you tell them how you shot them while they were jimmying open your locked china hutch.

I support our second amendment rights and I continue to keep guns in my home. For every one a judge orders destroyed, I buy four to make up for it.
 
Originally Posted By: kingrob
The NRA does NOT have your back. They will write a little blurb in Freedom First about how another "hero" saves the day, but they turn the other cheek when you call on them for assistance.


You used the wrong idiom. You meant to say, "but they turn a cold shoulder when you call on them."

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Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: kingrob
The NRA does NOT have your back. They will write a little blurb in Freedom First about how another "hero" saves the day, but they turn the other cheek when you call on them for assistance.


You used the wrong idiom. You meant to say, "but they turn a cold shoulder when you call on them."

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Actually, no. They turned another cheek and told me to kiss it. I think you know what cheek I'm talking about. I was propaganda, plain and simple.
 
Originally Posted By: kingrob
Speaking from experience, you have to seriously consider the fact that when someone breaks into your home and you have a gun, it's not a question of whether or not you're going to shoot them, because you will shoot them. You have to be prepared to live with the aftermath for the rest of your life.

Should you shoot to kill, or shoot to maim? To clarify without going into too many personal details, I've shot two human beings in my life. One died, the other is crippled for life. The one that died had a gun to my face in a store robbery. You will NEVER forget that you took a human life. EVER. No matter how justified you are in your defense. You need to be prepared for it. To this day I still wake up from nightmares where my gun jammed and the last thing I see is him pulling the trigger.

After you shoot someone in self defense, you will yourself be treated like a criminal. You will be taken down town and fingerprinted. Your gun will be taken and never returned, no matter how legal it is and how much paperwork you have. You will be threatened with manslaughter charges every step of the way.

The second time I had to shoot someone was in a home invasion. Without a second of hesitation I shot an intruder dressed all in black in my darkened living room. That individual today is still walking the streets of my hometown. Or should I say, limping the streets of my hometown. His charges were dropped due to being UNARMED when I shot him. Though I've never had so much as a speeding ticket in my life the fact that something similar happened ten years earlier to me had the judges considering whether I used excessive force in defending my home (BTW NC is NOT an equal force state). Had he died, I'm sure I would have been up for charges.

You have to examine the laws and precedence in your town or county when it comes to defending your property. The NRA does NOT have your back. They will write a little blurb in Freedom First about how another "hero" saves the day, but they turn the other cheek when you call on them for assistance. I know not all police stations are as crooked as the ones here but please consider all possible ramifications of bringing a gun into your home. In this political climate ALL gun owners are criminally suspect.

Having said that, the only thing I would change about my experience is to have been a little more "careful" in how I presented my circumstances to the law. If someone's coming at you with a crowbar it's a lot easier to claim self defense than if you tell them how you shot them while they were jimmying open your locked china hutch.

I support our second amendment rights and I continue to keep guns in my home. For every one a judge orders destroyed, I buy four to make up for it.


I would rather be treated like a criminal than a corpes.
 
Granted, it's a wee bit different on the other side of the fence having never shot and killed someone, but for me, at a very emotional gut level, breaking into my home is a first class violation. A person's home is an important barrier, and if someone was in my home trying to rob or kill me, I wouldn't even have to think twice about ending their life. It would be different if someone tried to rob me on the street - they did not cross the boundary into my home. I live alone - the issue would be of greater importance to me then it already is if I had a family. If I had a wife who was anti - the right to end someone who broke into our home, then I'd be putting that prenup to good use!
 
In all honesty, it really depends on state law. Here in CO with our castle law and make my day law, if you are not charged with or found innocent in defending yourself, you are also free of civil prosecution.

I'd probably think maybe a half second longer about wasting someone hanging over my bed in a mask at 2 am before wasting them if I lived in a state without the above laws.
 
Of all the possible difficult situations you could face, this seems to be the most critical, with the largest consequences no matter what the choice. I can only hope that whoever is faced with it is given calmness, clarity and insight for resolution.
 
Originally Posted By: moribundman
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
Once someone is in my house, we have a problem.


Just record them.


What, and be treated like a criminal?
 
Originally Posted By: Audi Junkie
btw- the "warning shot" is somewhat underrated.


But the hole you poke in your home isn't nearly as severe after bullet passes through a felon!

Bob
 
Macgyver a scatter gun from common household items. Take a ca 1 foot long cardboard tube, like a shipping tube, slip a heavy duty rubber ballon (prophylactics work, but double-bag) over one end. You may want to use duct tape to secure the balloon to the tube. Hold the tube with the opening facing up and dump and a small handful of pebbles, coins, shards of glass, nails etc into the tube. The ammo will now be inside the rubber balloon. Grab the balloon with the ammo inside, pull back, aim, then maim. It's quick, dirty, and about as effective as a shotgun blast without the noise (besides the screaming and howling) at up to 20 feet. You have of course only one shot. You could fashion a bandolier that holds a bunch of scatter guns.
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PS: Don't do this at home. Do it at a friend's house. I am not liable for your actions.
 
It DOES depend what state you live in.

We have shootings here and there (earlier this year with a 14 year old who shot an intruder and killed him. The police chief sat in front of his house that night and said it was justified and that was the end of it.)

I'm sorry to hear of your incidents but here, you do get to keep your weapon if it was used in self defense. You are not finger printed. I have seen it over and over when someone is shot.

Bottom line, do not live in a "equal force" state (ie if they bring a bat you can not use anything "worst" than one).

I got a job offer a couple of years ago making $60k more a year. I declined as I refuse to sell my sole and have to live in a state where you have no rights and can not have the same freedoms that other Americans have.

Take care, Bill

PS: ALWAYS SHOOT TO KILL. If you have to shoot, kill him. My training is double tap, see if the threat is over, if not shoot twice again.
 
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