Good states to setup life

AG,

Great post- thanks.

Another thing I would look into for states like Florida, is what impact, if any will happen when migration from other states slows. Florida gains on average over 10k new residents per month. These new residents spend a lot of money that directly and/ or directly supports the state's budget. Driver license fees, vehicle plates, sales tax generation for items needed by the new resident, all bring great revenues to the state of Florida, as compared to the state of South Dakota.

I mention South Dakota as it might be the strongest state in the USA fiscally. But South Dakota does not depend on outside sources to support its government (with the exception of its secretive banking laws). I suspect states like Florida and Texas need continued strong growth to maintain a no state income tax status. What happens if that growth is no longer strong?
We used to think we wanted to live in Florida, but my guess is that its the next California. There are way too many people there now for their lack of infrastructure and its going to catch up to them at some point. Still a nice place, depends on what you want and how long your staying.
 
We used to think we wanted to live in Florida, but my guess is that its the next California. There are way too many people there now for their lack of infrastructure and its going to catch up to them at some point. Still a nice place, depends on what you want and how long your staying.
I can’t tell you how much I miss CA, and actually wonder if a day will occur where it would be a welcome place to move back to. I have dreams of moving back there, though it’s been 20 years since I lived there.

My wife doesn’t miss it though. She wants to head more towards VA or NC.

I figure all the rapidly growing states will have their day of exodus as well, and places like IA will absorb all of them. The future is uncertain for sure. How many hurricanes will new residents suffer through before leaving???
 
I can’t tell you how much I miss CA, and actually wonder if a day will occur where it would be a welcome place to move back to. I have dreams of moving back there, though it’s been 20 years since I lived there.

My wife doesn’t miss it though. She wants to head more towards VA or NC.

I figure all the rapidly growing states will have their day of exodus as well, and places like IA will absorb all of them. The future is uncertain for sure. How many hurricanes will new residents suffer through before leaving???
Unless you have a million dollars to spend on a house-no it won't be. I lived there for 50 years. You don't know how much it sucks until you leave.
 
Regardless of where you set up, probably prudent to take future water supply into your calculus

People seem to keep moving to "places where the water won't be"; The Great Lake states have already moved to prevent water from being sent to non boarding communities.
 
I was fooled by this, we almost bought in Florida back around in June, heck I still have the unsigned contracts in my inbox.
I love in SC and have state income taxes.

All I can say is watch out if you think something is "free" government spends money and it comes from someplace.
Ok, so I will pit South Carolina against Florida in this case.

South Carolina has state income taxes and Florida doesnt.
We passed on buying that house in Florida for two main reasons as much as we loved the area.

One, compared to SC, Florida taxes are much more expensive, trust me, they make up for not having income tax.
A 2000 sq foot home in Florida compared to our 3000 sq ft home in SC

Property taxes on Florida home $4,500 ++++ (read on) a year, Property taxes on South Carolina home $2000 a year
Community Development Fees and HOA fees IF you chose to live in a community (unique to Florida are CDD frees) in the range of $2,400 to $3,600 a year for CDD fees and $1000 a year in HOA for Florida.
With that said these fees can also be switched around HOA vs CDD but all told, between these fees and property taxes, just on a new 2000 sq ft home on a sandwiched property in Northern Florida we were looking at up to $8300 + in property taxes, CDD and HOA fees for a nice community with sandwich size tiny lots.
Throw in way more expensive food, gasoline and lets not forget way more Florida homeowners insurance.

To be fair, I am not sure if Florida annual has vehicle tax fees. SC does and depending on the county can be expensive and we happen to live in one of the most expensive counties in SC. Our cars, boat and motorcycle run a bit more than $1000 a year. Granted, there is no sales tax if you buy any of these items new, better said a sales tax cap of $500 on any purchase no matter how much. Buy an $80,000 boat or car $500 tax.
I have nothing against Florida, I have said many times, I LOVE Florida but one thing for sure, it ain't cheap just because there is no state income tax, use reason, the money has to come from someplace, it doesnt come out of thin air... Sure if I still lived in NY maybe that it would look like a bargain but not really anymore.

Oh on more thing, Florida does not give property tax breaks to senior citizens. (except for low income OR if you lived there for 25 years)
SC gives you the first $50,000 of home value as an exclusion, not much but it is something and adds to the already low cost of living here.
With all the above said, until our house is finished early next year in North Carolina, at the right price and right community we actually could go to Florida but that is looking exceedingly unlikely. I do love the state and I suspect will will still always vacation in the area but not as much sure now that we will be in a coastal area of NC but I suspect we will because I like the crowds and action in places like St Johns shopping areas, places to eat in Destin can be awesome, with real chefs names on the menu.
I still kind of have this "thing" for Florida but somehow ending up in NC *LOL* I think maybe because I made so many trips there I know the entire area well. Not as much in NC
I don't know about SC but Fla bankruptcy laws are another lure of the state. A long time Miami columnist once said that It seems like every so often the US shakes itself all fraudsters get funneled into S. Florida.
 
The thing that would keep me from moving to Florida are all the hurricanes and tropical storms. Not only do I not want to deal with devastating storms, property and flood insurance are a major expense.
 
My current town population is around 10k people. Im not a big city guy.
Not bad. Supposedly we hit 6k in the summertime. Bunch of smaller towns around me, like 2k or so. Makes for a quiet life. Although I think about half the people around here commute 30 minutes or more to work, each way (I am over 50 minutes each way) so it has a downside.
 
Sorry to hear about your grandmother. God rest her soul.

I moved to North Texas a few years ago. I'm in the "reddest" congressional district in the US, and Texas is pretty red in general, so pro-gun is a given. I'm in a city of 100K people, ~120 miles from the DFW metro area. The people here are genuinely nice, church-going folks. It seems like half the vehicles on the road are pickup trucks or large SUVs.

It gets very hot here in the summer, but the tradeoff is a mild winter.

One thing I really like about this area is the lack of "woke" politics, pronoun nonsense, wearing face masks, etc. I lived in MN, CA, and MD for much of my adult life. That leftist crap is so loathsome for me. Throughout the virus craziness of 2020-2021, one could still walk through a supermarket here without a face mask and not cause a flurry of indignance, unlike many areas of the country.

The job market is less than ideal here for jobs that pay $60-100K/year. If you need to find a well paying job, the DFW area has a more vibrant economy.
I wouldn't move to Texas.
When I first moved here 42 years ago it was a great place to live. Reasonable housing prices, very low taxes, no state income tax, low cost of living in general, good roads, not overcrowded, lots of good paying jobs, fewer rules (sensible laws), happy friendly people, and good weather. None of those things apply anymore except for no state personal income tax. This is not a good state to retire in unless you are independently wealthy. If you have kids, public education is generally not very good and WAY underfunded. The electrical grid is awful now and is going to get much worse (also way underfunded). Law enforcement is non-existent (also way underfunded, and it was that way long before the George Floyd riots). And... we are on the verge of major fresh water availability problems (which is why T. Boone Pickens was buying-up all of the water rights in Texas that he could get his hands on during the last 10 years of his life, proclaiming that water would become the new oil).
 
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You've been unemployed for a year but are picky about guns?

Get your priorities in order. The world is your oyster. Pick a large corporation/ government that has an entry level hiring process and a somewhat defind ladder for promotion. After you get established you can work on your hobbies and move laterally in both the organization and in the country.
 
You've been unemployed for a year but are picky about guns?

Get your priorities in order. The world is your oyster. Pick a large corporation/ government that has an entry level hiring process and a somewhat defind ladder for promotion. After you get established you can work on your hobbies and move laterally in both the organization and in the country.

Yep, get foot in the door and later move to a place that meets a majority of his check list.
 
I have a brother-in-law that lives in the Brandenburg KY area. He's lived there about 20yrs. I didn't care for it the first few times we visited, because it's quite rural where he lives. Now, I would enjoy living there.

I'm not sure about the real estate situation there now, but it was super reasonable just a few years ago.
Brandenburg is the county seat of the county I live in (Meade). If you visit the area in a few years, you probably won't find it so rural. It's really not bad, 40 minutes from Louisville, and where I'm at, 15 minutes from Elizabethtown. The huge Ford battery plants are being built just south of E-town.

I've had all the modern amenities available to me since I moved here in 2017-- 1 gig fiber to my home, power has only gone off a handful of times for very short durations, municipal/county water, etc. Schools are decent here too. Rural feel sure, but for my lifestyle, there's not much I'm missing out on by not living in a bigger city. I don't think I could have found any better bang for the buck.

After this last winter storm though, some place further south sounds a lot better :), You know all this talk of SC and Florida.
 
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Brandenburg is the county seat of the county I live in (Meade). If you visit the area in a few years, you probably won't find it so rural. It's really not bad, 40 minutes from Louisville, and where I'm at, 15 minutes from Elizabethtown. The huge Ford battery plants are being built just south of E-town.

I've had all the modern amenities available to me since I moved here in 2017-- 1 gig fiber to my home, power has only gone off a handful of times for very short durations, municipal/county water, etc. Schools are decent here too. Rural feel sure, but for my lifestyle, there's not much I'm missing out on by not living in a bigger city. I don't think I could have found any better bang for the buck.

After this last winter storm though, some place further south sounds a lot better :), You know all this talk of SC and Florida.
You left out the best part for your location. Within easy commute to dinner at Mike Linnig's. :)
 
I wouldn't move to Texas.
When I first moved here 42 years ago it was a great place to live. Reasonable housing prices, very low taxes, no state income tax, low cost of living in general, good roads, not overcrowded, lots of good paying jobs, fewer rules (sensible laws), happy friendly people, and good weather. None of those things apply anymore except for no state personal income tax. This is not a good state to retire in unless you are independently wealthy. If you have kids, public education is generally not very good and WAY underfunded. The electrical grid is awful now and is going to get much worse (also way underfunded). Law enforcement is non-existent (also way underfunded, and it was that way long before the George Floyd riots). And... we are on the verge of major fresh water availability problems (which is why T. Boone Pickens was buying-up all of the water rights in Texas that he could get his hands on during the last 10 years of his life, proclaiming that water would become the new oil).
I left TX in 2004 and have not been back except to visit.

-Property taxes are insane
-I don't want to have to learn Spanish or be inconvenienced
-Property crime is insane (theft, identity, property, etc)
-It's not as pro-2A as people like to pretend.
 
You've been unemployed for a year but are picky about guns?

Get your priorities in order. The world is your oyster. Pick a large corporation/ government that has an entry level hiring process and a somewhat defind ladder for promotion. After you get established you can work on your hobbies and move laterally in both the organization and in the country.
Agreed. If you didn't plan this at the onset, it's not exactly the best time to suddenly plant your flag. My entire life has been planned starting when I was a little kid. Everything I want. All of it. In order from the start. But what if I changed? What if I wanted a silicon valley type job and a house in the bay area? Oh man...that would be a helluva go for me!
 
You've been unemployed for a year but are picky about guns?

Get your priorities in order. The world is your oyster. Pick a large corporation/ government that has an entry level hiring process and a somewhat defind ladder for promotion. After you get established you can work on your hobbies and move laterally in both the organization and in the country.
having respect for an inalienable, constitutionally-enumerated, right isn’t being picky. those states that esteem the 2a also tend to esteem other rights. whether one chooses to attend church, speak one’s mind on a street corner, be free of encroachments on private property or peaceably own firearms, or not, is a choice best left to each individual. it’s not anarchy, it’s responsibility.

i don’t intend to politically derail a useful thread but our particular right to keep and bear arms figures prominently in o.p.’s calculus. maybe for hunting, target shooting, plinking, defense or just because…his reason is irrelevant. if his calculus included socialized health care i may personally disagree but i would respect his calculus all the same.

back to the question at hand…

someone thoughtfully mentioned shipyard apprenticeships. an internet search yields some, in 2a friendly states too.

https://www.as.edu/about-the-school/

https://gowelding.org/welding-jobs/shipyard/apprenticeship-programs/

https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/Shipyards/Norfolk/Careers/Engineering.aspx

https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Home/Shipyards/Norfolk/Careers/Apprentice-Program/

many of these engineering opportunities are in the tidewater va area, so perhaps astro14, who resides there, can weigh in…
 
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Unless you have a million dollars to spend on a house-no it won't be. I lived there for 50 years. You don't know how much it sucks until you leave.
IMO California citizens are like frogs being boiled. Because the heat has been slowly turned up on them, they don't know how hot the water is until they leave the state. I'd love to move back too for the weather and family, but won't because of the cost, politics and taxes.
 
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