Gobekli Tepe

[buster]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...arden-Eden.html


Quote:
Archaeologists worldwide are in rare agreement on the site's importance. 'Gobekli Tepe changes everything,' says Ian Hodder, at Stanford University.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...l#ixzz1u1SvAHCy

 

[expat]

Thanks for posting, interesting stuff!

 

[Rick in PA]

Interesting thought to end the article on...

 

[benjamming]

Yeah, quite advanced to be so old. What of the ancient man was an idiot idea? Gobekli Tepe does appear to change that.

 

[expat]

I have never heard ancient 'man considered an idiot.'

Evolution is slow, as I understand it, ancient man was just as smart as we are, just that we have far more accumulated knowledge.

 

[mechtech2]

The guy who wrote the accompanying article is full of beans and speculation.
Total reliance on carbon dating is one thing - past one half life, we can not trust it. Too many anomalies exist, like dating volcanoes at 10,000 years when we know they erupted 200 years ago. We don't know daughter /parent conditions long ago.

He says Genesis has man eating fish, when Genesis says that plant life was what was eaten.

He says work and low protein make us smaller. Consider the Japanese who are historically smaller than people in the USA, but ingest HIGHER protein per weight than we do. {it's about fat in the diet, folks]

The writer is childish in his approach. Why add personal speculation to the facts?

 

[benjamming]

expat,

You've never heard that ancient man was "primitive"?

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
expat,

You've never heard that ancient man was "primitive"?


I don't think 'Primitive' infers 'idiotic'

I agree the article does make a lot of assumptions, but the site is still interesting.

 

[Garak]

Originally Posted By: expat
I don't think 'Primitive' infers 'idiotic'


Primitive always depends upon one's reference frame. A Model T is primitive by our standards. A couple hundred years before it was introduced, it would have been considered ridiculously advanced.

The car industry, for instance, built off of Ford's knowledge and experiences. That's how we advance. We're not smarter than he was; we "cheated" by building from his work.

 

[andyd]

I'm no archaeologist. What I dont get is the logistics. Hunter gatherers were nomadic by necessity. The amount of men necessary to build the megaliths would have cleaned out the game in a matter of weeks. Secondly, who was hunting while the megalith was being built? No way you could do both. But women could raise grain. Even tend fish weirs. Regardless of what Genesis says, people were eating fish anywhere they could be caught. People started farming, because the game got scarce. Celestial observations helped plan crop cycles. ...

 

[Shannow]

If we are into dating stuff...then most of the stuff that is there can only have been made in stars, and otherwise would have to have close to uniform distribution across the Earth.

Grain based agriculture/malnutrition gave us the wonders of tooth decay, and allegedly free time, music and culture.

The monuments seem to bear testimony to huge spare time, and a massive supply chain, vegetarian or otherwise

 

[benjamming]

expat,

I agree that the site is very interesting. What I'm (trying) to say is that the common assumption that ancient man isn't considered more advanced than us, in really any ways, may very likely be false. One might think that continued findings of sites like these would eventually cause a different assumption about ancient man.

 

[expat]

In 'recent' history (if you can consider the last 2000 years recent) man has had periods of accelerated advancement, amid periods of Stagnentcy.

 

[hattaresguy]

Originally Posted By: expat
In 'recent' history (if you can consider the last 2000 years recent) man has had periods of accelerated advancement, amid periods of Stagnentcy.



Yeah the middle ages were not so good.

 

[benjamming]

The Middle Ages had great scientific advances - development of water and wind power, spectacles, magnificent architecture, the blast furnace. The compass, paper, printing, stirrups and gunpowder all appeared in Western Europe between AD 500 and AD 1500.

 

[expat]

Originally Posted By: benjamming
The Middle Ages had great scientific advances - development of water and wind power, spectacles, magnificent architecture, the blast furnace. The compass, paper, printing, stirrups and gunpowder all appeared in Western Europe between AD 500 and AD 1500.


True, but most of that was in the last 300 years of the period, after we got fed up running around Rapeing and Pillaging.