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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think there is a difference between paranoia and being critical.
Trust in government, in general, BY REPUBLICANS, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and the fact that it's in power.
Fixed that for you MolaKule.
Thought that someone should point out the real source of the lack of trust.
BC.
I think there is a difference between paranoia and being critical.
Trust in government, in general, BY REPUBLICANS, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and the fact that it's in power.
Fixed that for you MolaKule.
Thought that someone should point out the real source of the lack of trust.
BC.
Originally Posted By: whip
The list goes on. I'm always aware of my surroundings. I don't trust everyone, but I don't think the world is full of evil like so many here. Where does this paranoia come from?
But the REALITY is that there are MANY doing ill will against others, and just because you might be paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
The list goes on. I'm always aware of my surroundings. I don't trust everyone, but I don't think the world is full of evil like so many here. Where does this paranoia come from?
But the REALITY is that there are MANY doing ill will against others, and just because you might be paranoid doesn't mean someone isn't out to get you.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
Like what? and furthermore, why are you defending the current a
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Such as? and why is your defense of the Obama administration, Bush? (why you're defending any politician is strange)
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
Like what? and furthermore, why are you defending the current a
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Such as? and why is your defense of the Obama administration, Bush? (why you're defending any politician is strange)
Both sides hope you forget.
Many of those critical of the war and of the intelligence gathering actions today were for them yesterday.
Many of those voting to increase the debt ceiling today were against ever increasing federal debt while on the campaign trail.
This is not unique to one party. Both try to surf waves of current populism, hoping you will forget what they said in when holding their previous position.
Their agenda is not you. Their agenda is to get re-elected.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Many of those critical of the war and of the intelligence gathering actions today were for them yesterday.
Many of those voting to increase the debt ceiling today were against ever increasing federal debt while on the campaign trail.
This is not unique to one party. Both try to surf waves of current populism, hoping you will forget what they said in when holding their previous position.
Their agenda is not you. Their agenda is to get re-elected.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
Like I said, CEOs and Pols come from the same pool of citizens. Why one would think any group as a whole has some sort of ethical advantage is beyond me.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
LOL at people who think the current Dems/Pubs are any different in their quest for personal riches and making billionaires happy,middle America be [censored].
Originally Posted By: zach1900
LOL at people who think the current Dems/Pubs are any different in their quest for personal riches and making billionaires happy,middle America be [censored].
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Like I said, CEOs and Pols come from the same pool of citizens. Why one would think any group as a whole has some sort of ethical advantage is beyond me.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
LOL at people who think the current Dems/Pubs are any different in their quest for personal riches and making billionaires happy,middle America be [censored].
Because Faux News told them so.
Like I said, CEOs and Pols come from the same pool of citizens. Why one would think any group as a whole has some sort of ethical advantage is beyond me.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
LOL at people who think the current Dems/Pubs are any different in their quest for personal riches and making billionaires happy,middle America be [censored].
Because Faux News told them so.
Originally Posted By: d00df00d
Basic human psychology:
1. Any anonymous forum is an easy outlet for people's fears, so those fears get exaggerated.
2. It's easy to forget that each post is only a snapshot of someone's thoughts. People can easily seem more paranoid (or enthusiastic, or negative, or whatever) than they actually are.
3. People are more likely to post negative comments than positive ones.
4. You are more likely to remember negative comments than positive ones.
Agree.
How many people have normal/good oil change at quick lubes/garages/dealers post their success experience ? 0.001%
How many people had bad experience post it ? Close to 100%.
To balance opinions/feedback I posted good service/experience with whoever I do business with. It may be USPS, local stores, Craigslist, eBay, Amazon, Rockauto, Walmart ...
Basic human psychology:
1. Any anonymous forum is an easy outlet for people's fears, so those fears get exaggerated.
2. It's easy to forget that each post is only a snapshot of someone's thoughts. People can easily seem more paranoid (or enthusiastic, or negative, or whatever) than they actually are.
3. People are more likely to post negative comments than positive ones.
4. You are more likely to remember negative comments than positive ones.
Agree.
How many people have normal/good oil change at quick lubes/garages/dealers post their success experience ? 0.001%
How many people had bad experience post it ? Close to 100%.
To balance opinions/feedback I posted good service/experience with whoever I do business with. It may be USPS, local stores, Craigslist, eBay, Amazon, Rockauto, Walmart ...
We all need to be aware threats to our wellbeing.
Paranoia is when we are see or react to threats that realisticly pose little risk.
IE. I know a lady in her 70's, she lives alone, has poor mobility, she is obese (about 100lbs overweight)
Not in good health. In short she is at 'real' risk from Heart attack, stroke or a fall.
But her FEAR is....of an earthquake.
OK, we live in an earthquake zone, and we are all aware of that.
But her fear is of a 1 in 500 year event that would probably not kill her anyway.
Paranoia is the boogieman for adults, it's a fear we make up, when no real threat exists.
Paranoia is when we are see or react to threats that realisticly pose little risk.
IE. I know a lady in her 70's, she lives alone, has poor mobility, she is obese (about 100lbs overweight)
Not in good health. In short she is at 'real' risk from Heart attack, stroke or a fall.
But her FEAR is....of an earthquake.
OK, we live in an earthquake zone, and we are all aware of that.
But her fear is of a 1 in 500 year event that would probably not kill her anyway.
Paranoia is the boogieman for adults, it's a fear we make up, when no real threat exists.
Originally Posted By: Bladecutter
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think there is a difference between paranoia and being critical.
Trust in government, in general, BY REPUBLICANS, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and the fact that it's in power.
Fixed that for you MolaKule.
Thought that someone should point out the real source of the lack of trust.
BC.
+1
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
I think there is a difference between paranoia and being critical.
Trust in government, in general, BY REPUBLICANS, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and the fact that it's in power.
Fixed that for you MolaKule.
Thought that someone should point out the real source of the lack of trust.
BC.
+1
Not suffering from paranoia.
Trust, but verify.
Trust, but verify.
Originally Posted By: friendly_jacek
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
I think you both conveniently forgot that "unconstitutional activities" have been going on since at least the communist scare of the 50's, and it's not exclusive to one party or another.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Trust in government, in general, is at at an all time low due to the current administration and its un-Constitutional edicts.
ya, you conveniently forgot how the previous administration started all the un-Constitutional activities, duh!
this is a great example of selective amnesia. or is is paranoia?
I think you both conveniently forgot that "unconstitutional activities" have been going on since at least the communist scare of the 50's, and it's not exclusive to one party or another.
There are sociopaths in society. They gravitate towards power. Presently, corporations with boards of directors, CEOs, and good ole boy power structures attract these guys as do both parties in government, both literally and with lobbyists-in-pocket. If we wiped DC clean and started new with Version 2.0 the same Illuminati/ Skull & Bones/ Freemasons/ whomever would be pulling the strings anyway.
The government I deal with isn't out to screw me over and rob me. Private enterprise I deal with, is. Could someone connive the government to rob someone else? Surely, abusing eminent domain for example, but it hasn't happened to me. I think it's because I'm too small (poor) a fish, and it's the way "the machine" is set up.
Someone used my SSN about 5 years ago for a fake tax return. It boggles my mind that the IRS *still* quickly processes tax returns without having all the facts straight and sends out huge checks. I had a sizeable amount of money coming back, there was some stimulus stuff in there, and I got my money in December for a March filing due to delays in figuring out the "real me".
I've had to get new credit card numbers several times due to data breaches (Target etc) and my recurring payments have been inconvenienced as a result. These vendors (Time Warner) get nasty and treat me like a deadbeat.
I haven't lost any money but half of me imagines my retirement account vanishing to Africa and my being served a "lookalike website" that does well for 30+ years until withdrawls are unavailable.
The paranoia on here is just like anywhere else, it's an echo chamber, and it would get better if the mods squashed politics more.
The government I deal with isn't out to screw me over and rob me. Private enterprise I deal with, is. Could someone connive the government to rob someone else? Surely, abusing eminent domain for example, but it hasn't happened to me. I think it's because I'm too small (poor) a fish, and it's the way "the machine" is set up.
Someone used my SSN about 5 years ago for a fake tax return. It boggles my mind that the IRS *still* quickly processes tax returns without having all the facts straight and sends out huge checks. I had a sizeable amount of money coming back, there was some stimulus stuff in there, and I got my money in December for a March filing due to delays in figuring out the "real me".
I haven't lost any money but half of me imagines my retirement account vanishing to Africa and my being served a "lookalike website" that does well for 30+ years until withdrawls are unavailable.
The paranoia on here is just like anywhere else, it's an echo chamber, and it would get better if the mods squashed politics more.
Originally Posted By: Lapham3
Whip-if you live long enough, you may experience some or much of what you just wrote-it would likely change your outlook.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
The real world will make you jaded, it doesn't have to be a bad thing, it's survival.
I'm in my mid 40s. I've lost a business, been the victim of crime, I've had a family member murdered. I think I've lived long enough to experience the real world.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Everyone has an agenda.....
Let's take your examples and look at them. Progressive Snapshot, do you think they are in the busines of just lowering rates? If you go the snapshot route, you may see a change, in either direction, eventually. If some are getting lower rates, I'd have to think that since they are looking at the same overall risk, others have to pay higher rates. So is concern about snapshot paranoia, or simply concern for ones own rates?
If people would read the details, they would see there's no reason to be concerned about rates. The contract stated they will not raise rates if you don't meet the criteria. Will they raise rates later? Maybe, but they don't need the snapshot to do that. People said they don't want a tracking device in their car. There's no GPS. It tracked time of day, miles driven and hard brakes. If you're a driver that doesn't fit what they're looking for, don't use it. If you're driving fits the criteria, use it and see if it saves you money. No reason for concern.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Guys selling Sat TV in the neighborhood. Anytime a stranger shows up at the door, I think one should be wary. Just because one outfit may be a legitimate sales team doesn't mean someone couldn't dress up a few guys and gals and canvass a neighborhood for other purposes.
I get a lot of people knocking on my door. Of course I'm wary and aware of what is going on. I look at the people and the vehicle so I can have a description if something happens. Often times, these people go to every house in the neighborhood. Other than a few tools stolen from an unlocked shed, there hasn't been a problem in this neighborhood. I don't automatically assume the person knocking is up to no good.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Ditto with Craigslist. People are selling something. They may or may not have the item. Use basic precautions. For one, if there is little or no text, the number is part of the photo, why are they making it difficult to google the number? Is it because if you do, you'll find the same ad posted in a dozen cities? There is often good reason to be wary.
I agree about using basic precautions. There was a local Craigs List killer here recently. If it doesn't pass the smell test, I move on. I've bought and sold things without issue. I think the number of scams is over blown like most things on the internet. If a person says they found a car on CL, and another posters first response is "it's a scam", I think that's paranoia.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Auto dealers and shops, their agenda is to make money. The difficult part for consumers is to determine how they choose to go about it. Do they do good work for a fair rate, or do they try to upsell every service and find things that are not really problems?
I've dealt with a lot of dealer and repair shops. I've met a few that were shady, but the majority are run by honest hard working people like you and myself. On this forum, the automatic assumption is they're all bad. That seems paranoid.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Ditto for corporations and government. I laugh at those who think either is ethically superior to the other. They are both staffed from the same population of humans. So I tend to agree that paranoia about only one is somewhat insane. I think we should be wary about both.
My concern is we are losing our ability to critically reason. People think one group or the other is looking out for them. Be it picking a political party or a corporate interest.
Nonsense, they are looking out for their agenda, be they Democrats or Republicans or Free Market proponents or Socialists, or Chevy Guys or Ford Guys or Harley Guys or Japanese Bike Guys or Motorists or Cyclists, or Atheists, Agnostics or People of Faith. Each has an agenda.
I don't think an honest politician exist. Corporations and politicians are looking out for their own interest. I don't trust them or think they're looking out for my best interest, but I also don't think they're out "to get me". I'm critical of both government and business. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't think business and government are in cahoots to poison me and put me in an internment camp. There's a fine line between pragmatic, and paranoid, and it seems a lot of gone well past that line.
Whip-if you live long enough, you may experience some or much of what you just wrote-it would likely change your outlook.
Originally Posted By: zach1900
The real world will make you jaded, it doesn't have to be a bad thing, it's survival.
I'm in my mid 40s. I've lost a business, been the victim of crime, I've had a family member murdered. I think I've lived long enough to experience the real world.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Everyone has an agenda.....
Let's take your examples and look at them. Progressive Snapshot, do you think they are in the busines of just lowering rates? If you go the snapshot route, you may see a change, in either direction, eventually. If some are getting lower rates, I'd have to think that since they are looking at the same overall risk, others have to pay higher rates. So is concern about snapshot paranoia, or simply concern for ones own rates?
If people would read the details, they would see there's no reason to be concerned about rates. The contract stated they will not raise rates if you don't meet the criteria. Will they raise rates later? Maybe, but they don't need the snapshot to do that. People said they don't want a tracking device in their car. There's no GPS. It tracked time of day, miles driven and hard brakes. If you're a driver that doesn't fit what they're looking for, don't use it. If you're driving fits the criteria, use it and see if it saves you money. No reason for concern.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Guys selling Sat TV in the neighborhood. Anytime a stranger shows up at the door, I think one should be wary. Just because one outfit may be a legitimate sales team doesn't mean someone couldn't dress up a few guys and gals and canvass a neighborhood for other purposes.
I get a lot of people knocking on my door. Of course I'm wary and aware of what is going on. I look at the people and the vehicle so I can have a description if something happens. Often times, these people go to every house in the neighborhood. Other than a few tools stolen from an unlocked shed, there hasn't been a problem in this neighborhood. I don't automatically assume the person knocking is up to no good.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Ditto with Craigslist. People are selling something. They may or may not have the item. Use basic precautions. For one, if there is little or no text, the number is part of the photo, why are they making it difficult to google the number? Is it because if you do, you'll find the same ad posted in a dozen cities? There is often good reason to be wary.
I agree about using basic precautions. There was a local Craigs List killer here recently. If it doesn't pass the smell test, I move on. I've bought and sold things without issue. I think the number of scams is over blown like most things on the internet. If a person says they found a car on CL, and another posters first response is "it's a scam", I think that's paranoia.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Auto dealers and shops, their agenda is to make money. The difficult part for consumers is to determine how they choose to go about it. Do they do good work for a fair rate, or do they try to upsell every service and find things that are not really problems?
I've dealt with a lot of dealer and repair shops. I've met a few that were shady, but the majority are run by honest hard working people like you and myself. On this forum, the automatic assumption is they're all bad. That seems paranoid.
Originally Posted By: javacontour
Ditto for corporations and government. I laugh at those who think either is ethically superior to the other. They are both staffed from the same population of humans. So I tend to agree that paranoia about only one is somewhat insane. I think we should be wary about both.
My concern is we are losing our ability to critically reason. People think one group or the other is looking out for them. Be it picking a political party or a corporate interest.
Nonsense, they are looking out for their agenda, be they Democrats or Republicans or Free Market proponents or Socialists, or Chevy Guys or Ford Guys or Harley Guys or Japanese Bike Guys or Motorists or Cyclists, or Atheists, Agnostics or People of Faith. Each has an agenda.
I don't think an honest politician exist. Corporations and politicians are looking out for their own interest. I don't trust them or think they're looking out for my best interest, but I also don't think they're out "to get me". I'm critical of both government and business. I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I don't think business and government are in cahoots to poison me and put me in an internment camp. There's a fine line between pragmatic, and paranoid, and it seems a lot of gone well past that line.
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