Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
gas prices aren't high enough
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Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Oh, but it would make a difference. Now I'm not advocating this or expecting this, but if everyones auto/vehicle got an average of 60 mpg there would be a huge surplus of fuel and of course lower prices. Its what is called supply and demand.
Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Oh, but it would make a difference. Now I'm not advocating this or expecting this, but if everyones auto/vehicle got an average of 60 mpg there would be a huge surplus of fuel and of course lower prices. Its what is called supply and demand.
Mechanicx,
So if gas was $2 gallon we all should be driving big SUV's just cause gas is cheap???
I would still buy a fuel efficient car if gas was $2 gallon.
So if gas was $2 gallon we all should be driving big SUV's just cause gas is cheap???
I would still buy a fuel efficient car if gas was $2 gallon.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Originally Posted By: motorguy222
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
What did I say?
Oh Ya.
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Do people really need that 5000 lb vehicle ?
Why do people foolishly buy such a big vehicle and then get mad about gas prices.
What does it really matters what someone drivers or how much gas they use or don't use? If the unit price of a a gallon of gas is too high, then it is too high regardless. Extending your logic, only people who ride bycycle and walk should complain about gas prices, only people who don't have enough food should be able to complain about food prices etc. Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
What did I say?
Oh Ya.
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
When I get 40 mpg in a Honda on the highway I still feel its not good enough.
30 mpg in a Corvette is also not good enough if gas was $2 gallon.
30 mpg in a Corvette is also not good enough if gas was $2 gallon.
Originally Posted By: doitmyself
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Many people truly DO think they should be able to dictate and judge others driving habits and/or vehicles as they pertain to 'mother earth'. They've bought all the 'green' mentality and 'sustainability' propaganda to the point that they think being smug and arrogant toward those that drive larger vehicles is something to be proud of.
Notice its not only car but big houses and other things including our food?
This kind of Fabian socialism is embraced mostly the poor out of seething jealousy and the desire for redistribution and educated elitist who have been convinced that their little bit of eduction gives them the right to dictate what the masses should have, they have been convinced that they know better.
Educate an idiot and all you end up with is an educated idiot.
Unfortunately its not just our best and brightest being educated its also every village idiot.
This "everybody has the right to go to college and get a corner office" mentality is fueling this nonsense.
You guys almost come across on the opposite extreme of the OP's flawed suggestion and imply an equal selfishness to ignore the future and run our country into the ground. Correct me if I interpret your posts wrong.
The way I see it, we can choose to preserve the freedoms we cherish so dearly, or we can wake up one day and have them forced on us.
How we accomplish this is beyond me.
The very assumption that my post (or Trav) reflects selfishness or to 'run the country into the ground' is completely off the mark. Fuel exists....it is a commodity available to the public at a cost. Vehicles are also a commodity...legally available to purchase in any size or price range the consumer decides to purchase. Anything else....opinions from others, smug attitudes, insults from 'greenies'...etc. is idiotic in a truly FREE society. This is STILL the United States and if buying any size vehicle is LEGAL...and in doing so they support the market economy....then they should be left alone. It does not matter, nor is it anyone's business, if a person decides to drive a total gas-hog to work or play as many times as they wish....regardless of how much fuel THEY purchase. While I may not agree with those that decide to use a 15mpg vehicle when a 35mpg one would suffice....I have no right to question them. None at all. Nor does anyone else.
Originally Posted By: Trav
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Many people truly DO think they should be able to dictate and judge others driving habits and/or vehicles as they pertain to 'mother earth'. They've bought all the 'green' mentality and 'sustainability' propaganda to the point that they think being smug and arrogant toward those that drive larger vehicles is something to be proud of.
Notice its not only car but big houses and other things including our food?
This kind of Fabian socialism is embraced mostly the poor out of seething jealousy and the desire for redistribution and educated elitist who have been convinced that their little bit of eduction gives them the right to dictate what the masses should have, they have been convinced that they know better.
Educate an idiot and all you end up with is an educated idiot.
Unfortunately its not just our best and brightest being educated its also every village idiot.
This "everybody has the right to go to college and get a corner office" mentality is fueling this nonsense.
You guys almost come across on the opposite extreme of the OP's flawed suggestion and imply an equal selfishness to ignore the future and run our country into the ground. Correct me if I interpret your posts wrong.
The way I see it, we can choose to preserve the freedoms we cherish so dearly, or we can wake up one day and have them forced on us.
How we accomplish this is beyond me.
The very assumption that my post (or Trav) reflects selfishness or to 'run the country into the ground' is completely off the mark. Fuel exists....it is a commodity available to the public at a cost. Vehicles are also a commodity...legally available to purchase in any size or price range the consumer decides to purchase. Anything else....opinions from others, smug attitudes, insults from 'greenies'...etc. is idiotic in a truly FREE society. This is STILL the United States and if buying any size vehicle is LEGAL...and in doing so they support the market economy....then they should be left alone. It does not matter, nor is it anyone's business, if a person decides to drive a total gas-hog to work or play as many times as they wish....regardless of how much fuel THEY purchase. While I may not agree with those that decide to use a 15mpg vehicle when a 35mpg one would suffice....I have no right to question them. None at all. Nor does anyone else.
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
Mechanicx,
So if gas was $2 gallon we all should be driving big SUV's just cause gas is cheap???
I would still buy a fuel efficient car if gas was $2 gallon.
Not at all. I'm saying if gas was $2/gal you should still drive say a hybrid or SUV or whatever you want and need.
Mechanicx,
So if gas was $2 gallon we all should be driving big SUV's just cause gas is cheap???
I would still buy a fuel efficient car if gas was $2 gallon.
Not at all. I'm saying if gas was $2/gal you should still drive say a hybrid or SUV or whatever you want and need.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Oh, but it would make a difference. Now I'm not advocating this or expecting this, but if everyones auto/vehicle got an average of 60 mpg there would be a huge surplus of fuel and of course lower prices. Its what is called supply and demand.
No, first off it's not proven that reducing gas demand has lowered prices, and second if prices drop they drop internationally and someone, somewhere else would just increase their consumption.
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We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
So I guess people should be frugal against their volition. Someone needs to determine the "right" consumption of "limited resources". That's kind of scary.
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Driving an econo car, scrimping and tighten your belt or not doesn't change the fact that something is overpriced.
Oh, but it would make a difference. Now I'm not advocating this or expecting this, but if everyones auto/vehicle got an average of 60 mpg there would be a huge surplus of fuel and of course lower prices. Its what is called supply and demand.
No, first off it's not proven that reducing gas demand has lowered prices, and second if prices drop they drop internationally and someone, somewhere else would just increase their consumption.
Quote:
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
So I guess people should be frugal against their volition. Someone needs to determine the "right" consumption of "limited resources". That's kind of scary.
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Originally Posted By: andrewg
The very assumption that my post (or Trav) reflects selfishness or to 'run the country into the ground' is completely off the mark. Fuel exists....it is a commodity available to the public at a cost. Vehicles are also a commodity...legally available to purchase in any size or price range the consumer decides to purchase. Anything else....opinions from others, smug attitudes, insults from 'greenies'...etc. is idiotic in a truly FREE society. This is STILL the United States and if buying any size vehicle is LEGAL...and in doing so they support the market economy....then they should be left alone. It does not matter, nor is it anyone's business, if a person decides to drive a total gas-hog to work or play as many times as they wish....regardless of how much fuel THEY purchase. While I may not agree with those that decide to use a 15mpg vehicle when a 35mpg one would suffice....I have no right to question them. None at all. Nor does anyone else.
The person upstream from you should also be left alone if they want to take a dump in the river, even though it pollutes your drinking water. But you probably wouldnt like that much.
So what jcwit is joking over is totally right... we should expect people to make smart, sustainable, financially intelligent decisions on their own accord? You must be joking!
The reality is that people are going to be self destructive, be it using up resources or living in their own feces. Some just will. And those who don't care to be affected by it (yet inherently are) have every right to be as annoyed by it as the others are free to do it. Its not just a one way street. And there may be good ways or bad ways to try to make this happen...
The very assumption that my post (or Trav) reflects selfishness or to 'run the country into the ground' is completely off the mark. Fuel exists....it is a commodity available to the public at a cost. Vehicles are also a commodity...legally available to purchase in any size or price range the consumer decides to purchase. Anything else....opinions from others, smug attitudes, insults from 'greenies'...etc. is idiotic in a truly FREE society. This is STILL the United States and if buying any size vehicle is LEGAL...and in doing so they support the market economy....then they should be left alone. It does not matter, nor is it anyone's business, if a person decides to drive a total gas-hog to work or play as many times as they wish....regardless of how much fuel THEY purchase. While I may not agree with those that decide to use a 15mpg vehicle when a 35mpg one would suffice....I have no right to question them. None at all. Nor does anyone else.
The person upstream from you should also be left alone if they want to take a dump in the river, even though it pollutes your drinking water. But you probably wouldnt like that much.
So what jcwit is joking over is totally right... we should expect people to make smart, sustainable, financially intelligent decisions on their own accord? You must be joking!
The reality is that people are going to be self destructive, be it using up resources or living in their own feces. Some just will. And those who don't care to be affected by it (yet inherently are) have every right to be as annoyed by it as the others are free to do it. Its not just a one way street. And there may be good ways or bad ways to try to make this happen...
Well some claim we've spent our grand kids future, heck we might as well waste their resources.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
No idea, why don't you make a study?
Originally Posted By: jcwit
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
No idea, why don't you make a study?
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
No idea, why don't you make a study?
I don't need to make a study, as I think you got my point.
Whether it is the generation of electricity, the production of plastic for our "disposable" goods, or the transport of those goods from an overseas location like China, oil is being consumed.
Attacking oil consumption through gasoline prices is like trying to take down a Grizzly with a spit-ball.
Gasoline prices get attacked because they are visible. But they are certainly not the worst offender. Not by a long-shot.
But I was able to find this very quickly on Google:
Originally Posted By: Answers.com
How much fuel does a container ship burn?
- A 7000 TEU(twenty foot equivalent units) container ship will burn about 217 tons/day.
- The Emma Maersk's 109,000 hp engine burns 1,660 gallons of HFO per hour.
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Distance = 11670 Nautical Miles
Time usage = 40 days 13 hours
Departure from NEW YORK
Port Code: USBOY
Country: USA - NEW YORK
Longitude: 74°00'W
Latitude: 40°43'N
Date: 16-09-2006
Time: 00:00
Arriving to GUANGZHOU
Port Code: CNCAN
Country: CHINA
Longitude: 113°12'E
Latitude: 23°08'N
Date: 26-10-2006
Time: 13:00
So your Harbour Freight tools use approximately 1,593,600 GALLONS of fuel to get here
The average American uses approximately 500 gallons of gasoline per year. This means that 3,187 Americans can drive for a year on the amount of fuel consumed by ONE container ship making the trip over from China.
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: jcwit
We're actually expecting and asking people to be responsible and frugal with our limited resources by their own volition?
Y'all Gotta Be joking!
I wonder how much fuel gets used to bring over all this junk from China.........
No idea, why don't you make a study?
I don't need to make a study, as I think you got my point.
Whether it is the generation of electricity, the production of plastic for our "disposable" goods, or the transport of those goods from an overseas location like China, oil is being consumed.
Attacking oil consumption through gasoline prices is like trying to take down a Grizzly with a spit-ball.
Gasoline prices get attacked because they are visible. But they are certainly not the worst offender. Not by a long-shot.
But I was able to find this very quickly on Google:
Originally Posted By: Answers.com
How much fuel does a container ship burn?
- A 7000 TEU(twenty foot equivalent units) container ship will burn about 217 tons/day.
- The Emma Maersk's 109,000 hp engine burns 1,660 gallons of HFO per hour.
and
Quote:
Distance = 11670 Nautical Miles
Time usage = 40 days 13 hours
Departure from NEW YORK
Port Code: USBOY
Country: USA - NEW YORK
Longitude: 74°00'W
Latitude: 40°43'N
Date: 16-09-2006
Time: 00:00
Arriving to GUANGZHOU
Port Code: CNCAN
Country: CHINA
Longitude: 113°12'E
Latitude: 23°08'N
Date: 26-10-2006
Time: 13:00
So your Harbour Freight tools use approximately 1,593,600 GALLONS of fuel to get here
The average American uses approximately 500 gallons of gasoline per year. This means that 3,187 Americans can drive for a year on the amount of fuel consumed by ONE container ship making the trip over from China.
So once again you sir are attempting to hijack a thread that is discussing the price of gasoline and are now attempting to turn it into a discussion about Harbor Freight.
How bout staying on topic, not a very class act. You're showing your true colors. Get a life, and check the goods in your own home, and where you shop.
Where did the subject of tools come up?
How bout staying on topic, not a very class act. You're showing your true colors. Get a life, and check the goods in your own home, and where you shop.
Where did the subject of tools come up?
I want cheap gas, so I vote we let Exxon and others continue to make profits and sell at market rates. Keep the government out and watch the price go down.
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Originally Posted By: jcwit
So once again you sir are attempting to hijack a thread that is discussing the price of gasoline and are now attempting to turn it into a discussion about Harbor Freight.
How bout staying on topic, not a very class act. You're showing your true colors. Get a life, and check the goods in your own home, and where you shop.
Where did the subject of tools come up?
Oh relax, I was using Harbour Freight as an example. There are PLENTY of examples of this, Walmart would be another one. This is far from a hijack, in fact, I feel the topic of oil consumption through means other than what the consumer uses through gasoline purchased at a pump is particularly relevant!
However, my reason for mentioning HF is that you defend their tools, but are now condemning people who choose to buy vehicles that don't sip fuel. Have you considered your buying habits and how much fuel THEY use that you don't directly pay for?
THAT is why I brought up the cost of shipping.
However, now that you've gotten personal, it is quite obvious I've hit a nerve. So either this means you are well aware that the products you purchase "on the cheap" are indirectly causing the consumption of copious amounts of fuel during their transport, or that you had NOT considered that angle until I brought it up and that upsets you.
I've told you many, MANY times that country if origin is factored into my purchasing decisions. So why would I need to check my home or where I shop? Not a very good diversion attempt sir, and definitely a strawman given our history on this topic.
So once again you sir are attempting to hijack a thread that is discussing the price of gasoline and are now attempting to turn it into a discussion about Harbor Freight.
How bout staying on topic, not a very class act. You're showing your true colors. Get a life, and check the goods in your own home, and where you shop.
Where did the subject of tools come up?
Oh relax, I was using Harbour Freight as an example. There are PLENTY of examples of this, Walmart would be another one. This is far from a hijack, in fact, I feel the topic of oil consumption through means other than what the consumer uses through gasoline purchased at a pump is particularly relevant!
However, my reason for mentioning HF is that you defend their tools, but are now condemning people who choose to buy vehicles that don't sip fuel. Have you considered your buying habits and how much fuel THEY use that you don't directly pay for?
THAT is why I brought up the cost of shipping.
However, now that you've gotten personal, it is quite obvious I've hit a nerve. So either this means you are well aware that the products you purchase "on the cheap" are indirectly causing the consumption of copious amounts of fuel during their transport, or that you had NOT considered that angle until I brought it up and that upsets you.
I've told you many, MANY times that country if origin is factored into my purchasing decisions. So why would I need to check my home or where I shop? Not a very good diversion attempt sir, and definitely a strawman given our history on this topic.
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jcwit has just sent me this in a PM:
Originally Posted By: jcwit
You seem to have a problem staying on topic, and wish to continue the discussion regarding H/F tools even after the owner of this site locked the last thread. Sorry it ain't gonna work with me or this time. Just crawl back into your hole and leave the rest to discuse the topic at hand.
He has chosen to make this personal. I have chosen to notify the mods of this.
This topic is about the price of fuel and how it is consumed. Fuel is consumed by more than automobiles and the fact that it is consumed by container ships bringing goods from overseas, as well as during the manufacture of those goods is quite relevant to this topic.
Originally Posted By: jcwit
You seem to have a problem staying on topic, and wish to continue the discussion regarding H/F tools even after the owner of this site locked the last thread. Sorry it ain't gonna work with me or this time. Just crawl back into your hole and leave the rest to discuse the topic at hand.
He has chosen to make this personal. I have chosen to notify the mods of this.
This topic is about the price of fuel and how it is consumed. Fuel is consumed by more than automobiles and the fact that it is consumed by container ships bringing goods from overseas, as well as during the manufacture of those goods is quite relevant to this topic.
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