Frustrating Dealer Experience
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What’s jeeps oil change recommendations? In my 24 Tundra I’m doing 5K intervals even though Toyota recommends 10K. With that said I’m doing the 5K and the dealer is doing the 10K. Up to 85K since I pre paid the maintenance.
There is one thing that most miss and that's the "Severe Use" schedule which is probably ~5K miles.
99.9% of us fall in this category according to the OM definition of what it is, but hardly any owner ever considers it.
This is probably what your dealer was referring to whe it suggested the OC.
99.9% of us fall in this category according to the OM definition of what it is, but hardly any owner ever considers it.
This is probably what your dealer was referring to whe it suggested the OC.
Because aftermarket oil filters are used on everything? I've seen plenty of dealers use aftermarket filters when necessary. Won't be a problem going forward, PUP and Mopar filters.
Agreed
The mission used to be to provide the best protection for the engine. The mission has now changed to have the least number of hurdles.
GDI Turbo engine, 2.5% over 5000ish miles is pretty solid.
Oil change monitor, not to exceed 10,000 miles for the 2.0T and the 3.6. The 6.4L is not to exceed 6000 miles. Or see below...
Per the manual:There is one thing that most miss and that's the "Severe Use" schedule which is probably ~5K miles.
99.9% of us fall in this category according to the OM definition of what it is, but hardly any owner ever considers it.
This is probably what your dealer was referring to whe it suggested the OC.
Vehicles that are operated in a dusty and off-road environment,
or predominately at idle or very low engine
RPM are known as Severe Duty vehicles. It is recommended
that you change engine oil at 4,000 miles
(6,500 km) or 350 hours of engine run time.
This doesn't apply. This manual doesn't have as much in it about severe service like I've seen in other manuals.
oh...never heard of it.
point being is that amount of fuel in oil is not good, no matter the design.
You've never heard of Gas Direct Injection?
It's become a very common EFI system over the past several years.
That's being nice, it's been in most new vehicles in at least 10 years and I think GM started using it like 20 years ago?
My Mazdaspeed 3 had a TGDI motor and before I bought it I read numerous Mazda forum posts about how that engine just destroyed oil- especially if the oil was Mobil 1. I would post my used oil analysis (using Mobil 1 5w30) on those same forums and the "experts" would be conspicuously silent. I changed the oil at 7,500 miles to mirror the other service intervals but the used oil analysis indicated a 10,000 mile interval would have been fine. When I sold it after eight years and 158,000 miles it was running great. Since then I've followed a one year/10,000 OCI on my subsequent TGDI vehicles with no issues.
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Does the iOLM actually yield 10,000 mile intervals with this engine? Because that seems MUCH longer than what the iOLM in my SRT or our RAM 1500 yield.
Yes, I have heard of it....being sarcastic.
My Sahara 4xe was showing 1% oil life remaining when it was changed at 11 months and 5,880 miles. I believe that the shorter interval is due to the fact that the engine starts and shuts off frequently- and the Fuel Oil Refresh Mode (FORM) only partially compensates for that.
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Yeah, and my first change on my SRT was at 1% and it was at 9,584km (5,955 miles).
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Jesus that’s ridiculousUpdate...
After the reprogramming in April, I changed the oil that weekend with Mobil 1 Extended Performance 5w30 with the illustrious MS-13340 spec. In early June, the same condition occurred (hesitation, CEL) and a restart allowed it to drive normal and the light cleared itself shortly after.
Took it in, same code, this time they identified the oil control valves. I made sure that the oil level was perfect before I dropped it off, including a time stamped picture for my own records. Their comments included that it had an aftermarket filter (Carquest Blue) and they require that I get an oil change when they change the oil control valves because they needed to know that a Mopar filter was on it. Because of their insistence and not wanting the BITOG pearl clutching again, I obliged.
Took a couple weeks to get in back in due to parts ordering and then I asked questions about the oil change, I had seen a sign that they would use your oil, so as I had made the switch to Mobil 1 Extended Performance, I was going to have them use that. However, they were now saying that they needed to know it had factory oil in it.The advisor seemed quite perturbed that I was even asking but I explained that I prefer to use the same oil all the time. Finally got out of them that they use PUP (also MS-13340).
So you can bet your behind that this Jeep will have PUP and Mopar filters for the rest of it's life.
In case anyone is curious...
Oil change: $15 labor
Filter: $13.45
PUP: 5 x $14.00
$106.45
In for the vilification
My point was.........sucking at something, just because everyone else sucks, does not mean one gets a passing grade..........best of junk is still junk.
The Alfa Stelvio and Giulia forums are full of people who followed the 9k mile or 1 year interval from the dashboard, and there are many many reports of P06DD errors on the forum over the past couple of years.
The resolution is either a new oil pump pressure solenoid, or a whole new oil pump, and then there are sometimes repeat occurrences with the same owner within a year and a half, because the engine was never cleaned out properly.
I think there was one forum member on his fourth or fifth oil pressure solenoid since he bought his car in 2018.
Here's a thread about the oil pump from the Giulia forum.
https://www.giuliaforums.com/threads/2-0-gme-oil-pump-dissection.60036/
Couple of Alfa techs in the thread offering their expertise and first hand experiences on the subject.
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So these vehicles don't have the iOLM that the Jeep/Dodge/RAM/Chrysler vehicles have?
No, I believe it's a different system with different coding.
Different ownership types, by several leaps and bounds between Alfa products, and Jeep / Dodge products.
Different ownership types, by several leaps and bounds between Alfa products, and Jeep / Dodge products.
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OK, so this is more like the Toyota brain-dead mileage counter (which has been a similar problem for Toyota owners as what you describe), it baffles me why OEM's do this stuff, particularly in this case, since they have access to iOLM software already.
And I wouldn't be so sure on the ownership type, as a former BMW owner, if my J/D/R/F dealership had actually gotten the Alfa license and products that they were supposed to, I would definitely have considered them.
As an aside, the owner bought several Alfas to stock while he waited for the actual license to be issued (which FCA screwed all the dealers who applied on), and they ended up being difficult to sell when this didn't work out. One of the junior mechanics bought one of them, a Giulia, that he's done a muffler delete on and it's a bit spicy sounding
That is what my 02 1MZ-FE which is a known sludge monster engine looks like at 5,000 miles with 160,000 miles on it, same with my 03 s10 4.3 with around 140,000 miles on it again 5,000 mile intervals running Mobil 1 High Mileage 5w30.
Wow ! Just Wow ! You come in for a possible metal in the oil recall notice, and deny a dealer recommended oil change?
That fishing line and hook caught you by the __________. And as far as oil changes on anything and going by the book, yeah they would like that so at the end of warranty time it is hoped it goes caput.
I sure would not have denied that oil change especially at 5K miles, with that recall hanging over my head, new vehicle, I'd be changing it every 5k or so anyway.
Oh and if it is a GDI engine all the more reason to change the oil sooner.
So you got to play the Stupid Games with the dealer and now if something happens be prepared for the Stupid prizes?
That fishing line and hook caught you by the __________. And as far as oil changes on anything and going by the book, yeah they would like that so at the end of warranty time it is hoped it goes caput.
I sure would not have denied that oil change especially at 5K miles, with that recall hanging over my head, new vehicle, I'd be changing it every 5k or so anyway.
Oh and if it is a GDI engine all the more reason to change the oil sooner.
So you got to play the Stupid Games with the dealer and now if something happens be prepared for the Stupid prizes?