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he 1st thing I ask perspective EV buyers is, "How ya gonna charge?" Then, "Do you have a free dedicated circuit in your garage?"

This is a great way to sweeten the deal by Ford, in a meaningful way. Charging at home has to be experienced to be appreciated.
 
You'd have to run this straight off the main service box in many cases where garage subpanels exist, I guess the "up to 80' away" would cover that if your main panel was adjacent to the garage. And then for people with 100/125A main service, this is probably not going to work at all without upgrading their service to 200A, if that is even possible in their case.

An 80A charger, even if de-rated to 60A, seems exceptionally large for Mach-E owners, of which they sell by far more of than any other EV model. More tailored for an E-Transit or Lightning than a Mach-E. My EVSE is 32A max and I've never had a scenario in which that wasn't enough to charge our Mach-E overnight.

It seems like this wasn't really fully baked, more of an advertising tool than a real program.
 
Brons2 said:
You'd have to run this straight off the main service box in many cases where garage subpanels exist, I guess the "up to 80' away" would cover that if your main panel was adjacent to the garage. And then for people with 100/125A main service, this is probably not going to work at all without upgrading their service to 200A, if that is even possible in their case.

An 80A charger, even if de-rated to 60A, seems exceptionally large for Mach-E owners, of which they sell by far more of than any other EV model. More tailored for an E-Transit or Lightning than a Mach-E. My EVSE is 32A max and I've never had a scenario in which that wasn't enough to charge our Mach-E overnight.

It seems like this wasn't really fully baked, more of an advertising tool than a real program.
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They’ve been including the 80a setup with the extended range F150 Lightnings since last year. While I get the reason they offer it, I don’t know why anyone would need more than 50a to fully charge overnight. If anything I’d turn that down just to time out charging speed for what I’d need to charge in time for my use. At least on a Model 3 24a has been more than enough to charge in 6 hours consistently. I’m glad I didn’t spend even more to upgrade the connection to the garage. For me that would have been a waste of money.

My wife charges 1-2 times a week and I’d likely charge 3 times a week consistently. We’d have no problem on one 240V 24a connection. Sure, it’s cool Ford included the biggest home charging solution they offer, but it’s overkill considering some of the power supplies older houses have like you mentioned. Mine would need a complete overhaul and upgrade.
 
demarpaint said:
I'd be willing to bet the installation is built into the price of the vehicle as well. No free lunch.
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Yes but you can finance that over 5, 6, 7 years. Trivial bump in cost (per month that is). Great deal for the banks, you know they are hurting for money.
 
Now, if only they included panel upgrades when needed, because that's why I don't charge at home "properly" I just plug into a regular outlet (level 1 charging). I'd need a new panel and have the PG&E service upgraded from 50A to 100A or greater :(
 
Brons2 said:
You'd have to run this straight off the main service box in many cases where garage subpanels exist, I guess the "up to 80' away" would cover that if your main panel was adjacent to the garage. And then for people with 100/125A main service, this is probably not going to work at all without upgrading their service to 200A, if that is even possible in their case.
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Living in the South, land of the free. Most everyone who moves here is moving into a new house OR recently built resale.
EVERYONE has their 200+ amp breaker panel in the garage so no issues here. Heck I could do it myself but nice to know they will pay. Panel right smack in the middle of the 2 car garage wall.
I do understand most older construction in other areas does not. I came from one of those areas before moving south.

GM used to pay for a hookup when someone bought a Chevy Bolt. maybe Ford competition will prompt them to start that up with all models.
 
alarmguy said:
Living in the South, land of the free. Most everyone who moves here is moving into a new house OR recently built resale.
EVERYONE has their 200+ amp breaker panel in the garage so no issues here. I do understand most older construction in other areas does not. I came from one of those areas before moving south.

GM used to pay for a hookup when someone bought a Chevy Bolt. maybe Ford competition will prompt them to start that up with all models.
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If I had to rewire my home from the service panel out, I would have been in deep yogurt.
 
alarmguy said:
Living in the South, land of the free. Most everyone who moves here is moving into a new house OR recently built resale.
EVERYONE has their 200+ amp breaker panel in the garage so no issues here. Heck I could do it myself but nice to know they will pay. Panel right smack in the middle of the 2 car garage wall.
I do understand most older construction in other areas does not. I came from one of those areas before moving south.

GM used to pay for a hookup when someone bought a Chevy Bolt. maybe Ford competition will prompt them to start that up with all models.
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I would say most modern houses in the South have 200A service. When I say "modern" guessing 80s onward. However, I owned a 1960s house on the east side of Austin for 12 years and it had 125 amp service. Austin Energy municipal electric company.

Other states not so much, saw an Out of Spec episode where they were putting in a home charger and the service was 150A on a newer home; this was in Fort Collins, CO. I know for a fact it gets hot in Colorado in the parts that large amounts of people live in and they are giving away lots of state money for EV adoption, given that 150A seems a bit limiting.

Smart panels would be one way around this, the panel could theoretically only deliver to the EVSE the amount of power that is available in the panel based on existing electrical loads:

Emporia offers products that are more of an add-on to an existing panel as well:
https://shop.emporiaenergy.com/collections/ev-chargers
 
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Brons2 said:
I would say most modern houses in the South have 200A service. When I say "modern" guessing 80s onward. However, I owned a 1960s house on the east side of Austin for 12 years and it had 125 amp service. Austin Energy municipal electric company.
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I know, I grew up on Long Island and most my life there. All 1950s homes and originally had glass fuses. Then people upgraded to 100 Amp service, these homes had gas or oil heat though, gas ranges too, actually many gas dryers as well. Im sure now upgrades are more 150 ish...
They didnt account for EVs that is for sure. :unsure:
 
FYI, our service panel was replaced 20 years ago; our house is old, built in the early 1960's I believe.
A union electrician came on a Saturday and ran 60' of #6 copper wire from a 50A breaker, under the house, to a NEMA 14-50 in the garage. $600 all-in, including tip. I remember telling the guy I was considering the Tesla Wall Cahrger down the road, if I really liked the car. He told me installing the Wall Charger would be easy after his work. This was early 2019...

A year ago I bought a Wall Charger, $420 + the governor's tax, and had an electrician friend install it. $200 as I recall. He told me he had already installed hundreds of them...
If you are considering an EV, you need to know your specific charging setup requirements. I bet a lotta people pay over $2000 and even way up from there. That buys a lotta gas.
 
supton said:
Yes but you can finance that over 5, 6, 7 years. Trivial bump in cost (per month that is). Great deal for the banks, you know they are hurting for money.
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I'd pass. Somehow I see strings attached, and fine print.
 
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