Then stop running around in circles trying to be a salesman.
Ford cuts prices of F-150 Lightening by 7-16%.
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2/3 of Americans are at risk of energy shortfalls this summer due to the heatwave. I just heard that headline, fitting for this discussion I think.
Yes, the Lightening and Mustang EV are just icing on the cake for me.
You're a clown. Think you're clever for that ego is my car and salesman ****. I bought the car for my wife. I had no intention of owning an EV, but I liked driving them. Thought I couldn't use one daily. I thought no one could use one daily. I even ran around acting like an ****** to EV owners like you are. Guess what? I was wrong. No need to be a tool.
I still predominantly drive an ICE vehicle. I'm a car guy. I love cars. I used to be that toolbag car guy that bashed others for their choices. Now I can't understand why you act that way and why I used to act that way. It's childish. Grow up.
When the lightning was announced (whats a lightening?
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Wasnt it going to be under 40k?
Well the one no one wants is 50k and the platinum is close to 100k with taxes.
The Starting at 50k model is sold out for 2023.
The next step up the XLT with extended battery for 70k+ delivery and taxes.
That is house money.. well house money 20 years ago... in NE Ohio.
Why exactly is the maverick hybrid on 1+ year backorder
besides toolbags who buy one to resell it...
OH it must be a car(truck) that someone wants to buy and affordable.
)Wasnt it going to be under 40k?
Well the one no one wants is 50k and the platinum is close to 100k with taxes.
The Starting at 50k model is sold out for 2023.
The next step up the XLT with extended battery for 70k+ delivery and taxes.
That is house money.. well house money 20 years ago... in NE Ohio.
Why exactly is the maverick hybrid on 1+ year backorder
besides toolbags who buy one to resell it...
OH it must be a car(truck) that someone wants to buy and affordable.
I've never needed GPS to find gas in my life. But then again, the pumps aren't hidden behind buildings. No need to play treasure hunt.
More a problem (in the case of the lightning) that it’s range is too short to drive a premium price.
The Chevy Bolt is popular strictly on price so it can get away with a short EV range
All these brands building big inefficient expensive rigs are going to be hurting until they realize range sells over luxury
In all fairness, a stock up 20% over a 3 month period will have corrections whether or not being down less than 2.78% in the middle of the day is cause to call it a "sell off" I think might be cherry picking data over a days time, even a weeks time but only hours into a day so far.
That is all true. However it becomes difficult to turn a profit when you're losing $60K on every one you sell.
Agree, way before EVs were even a possibility.
Maybe, maybe not. Lets call "selloff" selling instead. In any event the only news I see is F cutting the price on the Lightening, as a result F and GM are down, TSLA is up. This can all be forgotten at the end of the week, however the high frequency traders are reacting to the news. For long term shareholders it may very well be a blip on the radar at the end of the week.
The Lightening is surprisingly the heavier version.When the lightning was announced (whats a lightening?
Wasnt it going to be under 40k?
Well the one no one wants is 50k and the platinum is close to 100k with taxes.
The Starting at 50k model is sold out for 2023.
The next step up the XLT with extended battery for 70k+ delivery and taxes.
That is house money.. well house money 20 years ago... in NE Ohio.
Why exactly is the maverick hybrid on 1+ year backorder
besides toolbags who buy one to resell it...
OH it must be a car(truck) that someone wants to buy and affordable.
It does have more lights on the outside if they're referring to the newer one. There was talk of a $40k work truck. I don't think it happened, but I know there was something in there for business use that wasn't going to allow it to sell to a private person for personal use. That could have just been something to control the amount made at that price. I do recall them showing a tiered model list when it was announced. The base $40k was called the Pro. Then I think it followed the usual nomenclature. XL(might have been STX or offered as both since STX is usually a styling package for an XL), XLT, Lariat, and Platinum. I'm sure all of this could have changed now, but I remember seeing some form of brochure breaking this down when I was at the dealer for service once.
There isn't much affordable these days. A regular XLT which I had while not $70k is funny money today. I bought mine for $42k in 2017 new. Unless the Ford discounts have started to come back that isn't near possible. With Ford you'll definitely pay a premium to get in an EV. I'm not sure the F150 Lightning really has competition right now except for the smaller Rivian, though I'd argue that the Rivian would be the better vehicle to own. Mach-E pricing isn't good even after the drop. The Mach-E has stiff competition and is above the price of each one of its competition trim level for trim level all through the range. I remember my F150 being more expensive than a similarly specc'd Silverado at the time, but I was determined I wanted a Ford.
Basically what I said above answers this I think. They've not had a good track record, had to pull the vehicles back from sale for a few issues, and still are priced way over their counterparts. You could have the right vehicle and miss the price by enough to make it a non starter. I get looking at it as Ford has to lower prices to sell a vehicle because people don't want EVs, but I don't think that's accurate at all. Other companies are selling EVs, but from what I've seen so far is it's only really VW and Ford struggling. Driving the ID.4 doesn't give me the impression that it's bad, but it's not exciting in the way I tend to see the VWs I like and they had some early quality issues. They seem solid but don't really excite people the way Hyundai, Kia, and Tesla do for that price point.
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In all honesty billt its no secret that I am not a proponent of EVs or Tesla but I do acknowledge how they can be used for various people and uses. I even acknowledge that I may own one for a second car one day, I can go either way on this but since the people who elected the administration that did institute this $7,500 credit for certain max income levels to buy an EV, it is what it is and I doubt many people in here sent back endless stimulus checks when they arrived in their mail years back. Well, if I decide to buy an EV I will figure a way to get $7,500 that the people voted for.
I rarely chime in on other discussions but I can say with firm conviction that Torrid's posts are some of the most well thought and respectful posts in this EV section that outlines his experience with his EV and Gasoline cars. I think calling him out of everyone in this forum a "salesman" for EVs is way "out there" to say the least.
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That might be true where you live but most places out west don’t have a charger every few miles. Gas stations on the other hand are everywhere due to the existing infrastructure. Maybe in twenty years there will be plenty of chargers but that doesn’t help drivers right now.
This is a risk with any from the ground up car. It's an even bigger problem when they don't have it hashed out. It's pretty bad though respectably honest when the CEO comes out and says "we don't know what we're doing with EVs." I'm sure they'll figure it out, but it'll be expensive until they do. There's a couple of options here though. Either give up and fall behind if this stupid ban(emphasis on stupid) ever takes hold or try and get another piece of the market.
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Keep in mind that many EV's on the market do the same thing, limit full power for only a few seconds, even Porsche does it. BMW and Tesla I know don't, The Ioniq 5 allows you to have 641HP for 10 seconds.
Oh they're definitely further apart than every few miles. Most towns have a few at least when it comes to Tesla. We have plenty of stretches where you wouldn't see any place to fuel, gas, electric, or otherwise for as much as 40 miles. Lots of farm land and wooded area between bigger parts of civilization. I guess I don't see any concern because I can count on one hand the amount of times I've turned a gas light on in 22 years so I've never bothered to use as much of my battery or tank before filling up. That's a feeling I don't care for.
Oh yeah they all do it for sure. Heat is heat. Most tests have shown that Ford does it much quicker and holds the penalty much longer. Some reviewers have went as far as calling almost dangerous in its limitation. I believe all were referring to the GT itself, saying once it's heat soaked it just won't accelerate enough to safely merge in fast, heavy traffic. I do wonder though if that's the software being too restrictive or the cooling system not being adequate. The number put out was only 5 seconds full power for the GT.
I cannot understand why people refuse to accept this fact.
Maybe my approach is completely different from the average driver. I've always planned my long routes knowing my fuel range, fuel economy, and roughly where I'm stopping along the way. I know roughly where I'll need fuel before I even leave. I'll even look up restaurants in the area beforehand because I like to try something new. I always prefer to maximize the use of my stops because I want to feel refreshed enough to keep going again until I have to stop. I've done this for 20 years back when all I used was a map and a print off from MapQuest. My wife and I did this all the time back then. The last thing I like doing is wandering aimlessly when I have a place to be. The only difference is that the car can display it all for me on the screen instead of having to pick up a map or piece of paper.
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