Hybrids are not EVs in the sense contained in this discussion.
Ford cuts prices of F-150 Lightening by 7-16%.
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Hermann
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Did you rag on everyone else who mentioned hybrids in this thread. Hybrids were mentioned in post #2
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I would think your assumptions are wrong. These are cars companies are they not? Tesla makes no money on ICE vehicles and has nothing to fall back on if any disruption in the EV market.
One might argue the EV market is going to be awash in EVs in just 3 years, remember all the electronics makers that go out of business from computers to flat panels once manufacturing over supplies the world?
Two sides to this story ya know?
With that said, I accept your opinion that EVs will take over the world in the next five years but please remember my opinion that the world is going to be overwhelmed with supply of EVs in the next five years. It wont be long until one is proven right or many better said, GM will smash Tesla.
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Thing is, your op says they increased production and can lower prices. That points to economies of scale providing improvements. Sales may not be swift enough to justify price increases, yet increasing enough to allow a price drop. This could be the best of both worlds for the consumer.
But who knows that the ground truth is.
Too bad they probably won’t ship many lower end ones, and the optioned out versions are priced astronomically for a bunch of junk that will break in a few years. The more basic models are still optioned out well iirc, and may be worth a look…
Time will tell. I think they screwed up, battery size, tow capacity, and the initial cost. I've read complaints scattered on the www. I have a feeling once they start selling more and the beta testers really start sounding off the truth will then be told. It's a hard no for me.
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The practical realities of charging an eV are far different than a gas or diesel vehicles in terms of wasted time…
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The whole tow with electric to me is a no go if you don’t have tens of thousands of pounds of chassis to hood huge batteries.
Given that most light duty pickups are little more than grocery getters, the tow part of it doesnt concern me at all. If the optioning wasn’t so stupid and costly, I’d consider one in the extended range for kicks. The standard range is too short to be useful.
Just like anything really. The first home cd players were $3,000. Back in 1999/ 2000 my class took a trip to a mall then science museum. The Bose store had one of the first actual flat panel TVs. 480p 35" and a price of $29,999.
Yeah a guy and his daughter were interviewed recently. They "collected " beanie babies to the tune of 10 grand or so. If they'd only have invested the money they'd be sitting on alot.
Like this one at our dealership today, 2022 MACH-E, 5,000 miles, pulled about 60% of window sticker on auction.
Fortunately for me I never felt the need to be the first one lining up to buy the newest technology. That mindset paid off for me time and time again. FTR even those people probably didn't take an overnight hit like this one. It might have taken them a few months to take the hit.
I knew someone who had a similar collection during that craze. He had them in his basement all categorized and kept track of their value.
Then the basement flooded.
That really depends on what your driving needs are. It either will save you ever going to a gas station or becomes a liability if you drive 300+ miles without coming home at the end of it. I've publicly charged 3 times in 6 months. It takes more effort, money, and time to fuel my other car. My only point is almost no one does these longer drives consistently. I do on occasion and it hasn't been a problem. The biggest thing is to stop thinking of it as a fuel tank and only filling it when it's low. If you think of an EV as how long you'll have to wait for it to charge when it's empty it will be a pain when it is if you're driving 30 miles a day. If I had no choice and had to sell a car tomorrow, I'd keep the EV no question.
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I routinely drive about 280 mikes round trip over two days. Having to go find a charger halfway just because… versus 500 mikes in a diesel, or 700 mLes from my hybrid is just silly.
Charging nightly isn’t a bad thing, I Agree. But it is very limiting for a lot of use.
Very common to my usage. I have a round trip which usually puts me in a hotel for work that is 300 miles total. There really is no finding a charger. They're at normal stopping points if I need to and that's when I get lunch and I can leave as soon as I'm done eating. 10-15 minutes. Again it's not for everyone but it's far from silly. It's 1/4 the cost per mile to drive than most cars, but I would assume mentioning a diesel you're talking about a large truck. All I am doing is transporting myself for work and about 60 lbs of equipment these days. That's why I no longer have a truck. That was bleeding me dry for fuel even compared to my gas car. Just because I could afford it didn't mean I wanted to watch that money disappear in my tank to sit up higher.
These have a bad wrap anyway. Ford has bungled their EV program. I don't think it was on purpose, but they're not good. Pin the throttle twice and after that it cuts power. They're the polar opposite of a Tesla. The fit and finish is great on them but the underpinnings leave something to be desired whereas some complain of the fit and finish on a Tesla but they just seem to work. Ford has priced themselves out of this market on the Mach-E. You get a little bit less car for a lot more money. A loaded Mach-E is $72k with the new pricing. A Model Y is under $60k loaded and performs better across the board. It's just not a contest.
You're deliberately avoiding common sense trying to make a point. No, I have never ran out of gas in my life. But not because I "plan", on where or when I'm going to fuel.
Gas stations are everywhere, no matter where I go. And have been for the last 55 years I've been driving. And I've been all over this country.
I don't even think about "getting gas". Either in the city, or on a trip. I can stop anywhere to get it. Not only that, there are so many stations I can shop for price. If one is too expensive I just go on to the next one.
You cannot do that with EV's. The charging infrastructure is simply not there. And no one knows when, or even if it ever will be. Charging at home is great.... If you want to live like the early settlers, and never go more than 75 or 100 miles from home.
With ICE you have zero distance limitations. And when you do run your tank down to fumes, a fillup takes 5 minutes, not overnight. Assuming you can find a charging station. If you do, then you wait.... For several hours, not a few minutes.
On my Toyota I accurately average in the 460 - 480 mile range per tankful. Many EV's, (especially these EV trucks when towing anything), are severely limited on range. What they advertise compared to what they actually get are 2 completely different things. The first 50 miles the range "gauge" takes a nosedive on most all of these EV trucks, and on many of the cars as well.
This severely limits their usefulness. You simply cannot trust the advertised range. Again, unless you want to play settler and make sure you can get back to your plug in the garage before dark.
Or else you're going to have to make camp for the night..... Or be towed, depending on where your EV takes a dump. Until ALL of this changes to directly compare to ICE across the board, what's happening to Ford, is going to continue.
You can't make people want something. And that is exactly what the government is trying to accomplish with EV's, much like Anheuser Busch tried by jamming transgenders down their customers throats. And we are all seeing the resulting financial disaster of both.
We have a 2021 Mustang premium turbo convertible and we love it! I hope you mean that electric thing.
Slapping the name Mustang on a EV is what I mean. They actually pay people to name cars, maybe they could save money and give them the boot for destroying the Mustang name. Clearly they missed the mark!
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