Ford cuts prices of F-150 Lightening by 7-16%.

[UncleDave]

The practical realities of charging an eV are far different than a gas or diesel vehicles in terms of wasted time…

They are. There is a range of difference from pretty close to a long way away.

A vehicle that can get around 4mpkwh can get pretty close to Ice speed on a road trip - close enough for many to win the battle between the two formats.

These trucks get around 2 at best and this represents a whole other world of electrical throughput needed storage and ability to fast charge without losing thermal control.

 

[UncleDave]

Slapping the name Mustang on a EV is what I mean. They actually pay people to name cars, maybe they could save money and give them the boot for destroying the Mustang name. Clearly they missed the mark!

Not only was it insulting to Mustang owners - it's just lazy marketing.

 

[demarpaint]

Not only was it insulting to Mustang owners - it's just lazy marketing.

Lazy, horrible, stupid, you name it. Boot worthy in my world.

 

[Torrid]

You're deliberately avoiding common sense trying to make a point. No, I have never ran out of gas in my life. But not because I "plan", on where or when I'm going to fuel.

Gas stations are everywhere, no matter where I go. And have been for the last 55 years I've been driving. And I've been all over this country.

I don't even think about "getting gas". Either in the city, or on a trip. I can stop anywhere to get it. Not only that, there are so many stations I can shop for price. If one is too expensive I just go on to the next one.

You cannot do that with EV's. The charging infrastructure is simply not there. And no one knows when, or even if it ever will be. Charging at home is great.... If you want to live like the early settlers, and never go more than 75 or 100 miles from home.

With ICE you have zero distance limitations. And when you do run your tank down to fumes, a fillup takes 5 minutes, not overnight. Assuming you can find a charging station. If you do, then you wait.... For several hours, not a few minutes.

On my Toyota I accurately average in the 460 - 480 mile range per tankful. Many EV's, (especially these EV trucks when towing anything), are severely limited on range. What they advertise compared to what they actually get are 2 completely different things. The first 50 miles the range "gauge" takes a nosedive on most all of these EV trucks, and on many of the cars as well.

This severely limits their usefulness. You simply cannot trust the advertised range. Again, unless you want to play settler and make sure you can get back to your plug in the garage before dark.

Or else you're going to have to make camp for the night..... Or be towed, depending on where your EV takes a dump. Until ALL of this changes to directly compare to ICE across the board, what's happening to Ford, is going to continue.

You can't make people want something. And that is exactly what the government is trying to accomplish with EV's, much like Anheuser Busch tried by jamming transgenders down their customers throats. And we are all seeing the resulting financial disaster of both.

There's so much wrong with every one of your statements that there's really no point in debating it. You have no clue at all what you're talking about and it's all because you've never actually used one. I wouldn't have believed I could use it the way I do, but it works. You don't see charging stations because they're usually not along the road, but behind a building. Have fun though, you're clueless and just want to stir up lies. It's obvious any time we have someone new to the conversation that just wants to start a fire. Congratulations, you're used to the BS of taking care of a gasoline powered car. It's learned behavior. You just haven't tried an EV to see how it works, but you decided it doesn't work for you because you don't even know how it works.

Distance limitations. Clueless...

 

[Torrid]

Not only was it insulting to Mustang owners - it's just lazy marketing.

It's brilliant marketing. If they had named it something that made sense you'd probably never give the car a second comment. Still not a great car though.

 

[PimTac]

Lazy, horrible, stupid, you name it. Boot worthy in my world.

I think sales would have been better if Ford had come up with a new and fresh model name. They shot themselves in the foot calling it the Mustang.

 

[UncleDave]

It's brilliant marketing. If they had named it something that made sense you'd probably never give the car a second comment. Still not a great car though.

I'm pretty sure everyone sees through it like laser through cream cheese.

Gm fans remember when olds called everything a cutlass.

The car is actually a decent first effort after year one, the GTs a mess.
It's around the same competitive level as the VW stuff.

 

[JHZR2]

They are. There is a range of difference from pretty close to a long way away.

A vehicle that can get around 4mpkwh can get pretty close to Ice speed on a road trip - close enough for many to win the battle between the two formats.

These trucks get around 2 at best and this represents a whole other world of electrical throughput needed storage and ability to fast charge without losing thermal control.

That’s the funny part. Trucks are pigs. Period. Look at the discussion about the keep wagoneer. 6500lb, 0-60 in 4.7. Even if it wasn’t for excessive engine and speed, they just aren’t aerodynamic or efficient.

I’m sure I could argue even the same about the Tesla model 3 - how much better could it perform economics wise if they reduced the power, slimmed the tires, etc.

So a truck is going to eat more energy. It’s saving grace in the case of a low cost battery is that there’s more space and wright for one.

 

[Torrid]

I'm pretty sure everyone sees through it like laser through cream cheese.

Gm fans remember when olds called everything a cutlass.

The car is actually a decent first effort after year one, the GTs a mess.
It's around the same competitive level as the VW stuff.

Oh I didn't say it wasn't obvious or wasn't bad. I think they ascribe to the thought that any press is good press.

 

[JHZR2]

Very common to my usage. I have a round trip which usually puts me in a hotel for work that is 300 miles total. There really is no finding a charger. They're at normal stopping points if I need to and that's when I get lunch and I can leave as soon as I'm done eating. 10-15 minutes. Again it's not for everyone but it's far from silly. It's 1/4 the cost per mile to drive than most cars, but I would assume mentioning a diesel you're talking about a large truck. All I am doing is transporting myself for work and about 60 lbs of equipment these days. That's why I no longer have a truck. That was bleeding me dry for fuel even compared to my gas car. Just because I could afford it didn't mean I wanted to watch that money disappear in my tank to sit up higher.

lol, it’s not 1/4 the cost per mile and if it is, you’re actively stealing from others by not paying road taxes.

When we rented a Tesla and used the supercharger, the cost per mile was the same as driving my odyssey. My accord had it beat 3x.

 

[Torrid]

lol, it’s not 1/4 the cost per mile and if it is, you’re actively stealing from others by not paying road taxes.

When we rented a Tesla and used the supercharger, the cost per mile was the same as driving my odyssey. My accord had it beat 3x.

I pay road taxes. I charge at home 99%. That's the cost savings. I only pay $0.13 per kwh. That's how it's 1/4 the cost of my car that gets more than 35mpg. If you only supercharge, you won't save much if at all as you've seen.

 

[SubieRubyRoo]

Did you rag on everyone else who mentioned hybrids in this thread. Hybrids were mentioned in post #2

Hello ignore function

Wasn't even a "rag", not sure what that is. Oh well.

 

[alarmguy]

These have a bad wrap anyway. Ford has bungled their EV program. I don't think it was on purpose, but they're not good. Pin the throttle twice and after that it cuts power. They're the polar opposite of a Tesla. The fit and finish is great on them but the underpinnings leave something to be desired whereas some complain of the fit and finish on a Tesla but they just seem to work. Ford has priced themselves out of this market on the Mach-E. You get a little bit less car for a lot more money. A loaded Mach-E is $72k with the new pricing. A Model Y is under $60k loaded and performs better across the board. It's just not a contest.

I have a family member invoking the lemon law on his Mach-E I don’t know the full story something about battery issues at the dealer has been unable to fix.

I have not spoke to him directly, but this all comes from someone very close to him
Ironically, he actually bought another Mach-E and is invoking the New York State lemon law on the other one.
Come to think of it maybe that was the used Mach E just auctioned off! Ha ha

He also owns a Tesla

 

[alarmguy]

Slapping the name Mustang on a EV is what I mean. They actually pay people to name cars, maybe they could save money and give them the boot for destroying the Mustang name. Clearly they missed the mark!

You have to remember we are from the old school. As the younger generation moves up, nobody really knows or equates what a Mustang is and what it used to be.
Except the fact that it was a cool, fast car to own

 

[MNgopher]

Entertaining to read the same posters who bashed how these were too expensive to be practical now beating the drum of its a failure since Ford lowered the pricing...

Seems like the lower pricing would factor into making these more practical for some...

 

[billt460]

There's so much wrong with every one of your statements that there's really no point in debating it. You have no clue at all what you're talking about and it's all because you've never actually used one. I wouldn't have believed I could use it the way I do, but it works. You don't see charging stations because they're usually not along the road, but behind a building. Have fun though, you're clueless and just want to stir up lies. It's obvious any time we have someone new to the conversation that just wants to start a fire. Congratulations, you're used to the BS of taking care of a gasoline powered car. It's learned behavior. You just haven't tried an EV to see how it works, but you decided it doesn't work for you because you don't even know how it works.

Distance limitations. Clueless...

Replies like yours are typical when you have your ego invested in your car. You can continue to hunt for charging stations behind buildings. Good luck.

I'll just look for the big well lit signs you can see from half a mile away..... And be on my way in 5 minutes.

 

[demarpaint]

Seems like the lower pricing would factor into making these more practical for some...

Maybe, one thing for sure is the stockholders aren't thrilled today with the price cuts. GM is selling off too, so shareholders might think they have to cut prices as well to stay competitive. TSLA seems to be reaping the benefit of the F and GM selloff today. Very interesting.

 

[billt460]

Entertaining to read the same posters who bashed how these were too expensive to be practical now beating the drum of its a failure since Ford lowered the pricing...

Seems like the lower pricing would factor into making these more practical for some...

A lower price isn't going to improve how they operate, or make them charge any faster.

 

[Torrid]

Replies like yours are typical when you have your ego invested in your car. You can continue to hunt for charging stations behind buildings. Good luck.

I'll just look for the big well lit signs you can see from half a mile away..... And be on my way in 5 minutes.

There's no hunting... The car knows where it is, shows it on the screen, and there's a lot of them. Exactly like how you use GPS on a highway trip and don't know where the gas station is. Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and move on.

Seriously though I thought this would be a forum to discuss electric cars, not defend a car preference. This place is becoming an exercise in futility.

 

[Torrid]

Entertaining to read the same posters who bashed how these were too expensive to be practical now beating the drum of its a failure since Ford lowered the pricing...

Seems like the lower pricing would factor into making these more practical for some...

The problem here is Ford. There's a reason why I don't buy Fords anymore and this all happened before they started making these EVs.