Ford CEO Says Large Electric Trucks And SUVs Have 'Unresolvable' Problems

Ford wants to take a novel approach with its large SUVs and trucks. As Bloomberg first reported on Tuesday, the automaker is now pursuing extended-range electric vehicles. EREVs have an electric powertrain like a traditional battery-electric vehicle, but they also get a gas-powered generator for backup. The generator is tasked with recharging the battery, but it’s the e-motors that drive the wheels at all times.

So a series hybrid. I'm not against it, but it seems like it hasn't worked well elsewhere. My off the cuff remark: someone will buy this, then complain that on long trips while towing, it burns more gas than the gas-only version. Which is to be expected... but a nuance that some might not understand (until it's on the nightly news).

Heavy-duty EVs only make sense for Ford’s commercial customers, Farley said. Commercial customers can charge electric delivery vans and work trucks at depots, and don’t have the same range anxiety as retail customers. They usually don't over-buy batteries, like retail customers do, focusing instead on their exact use cases. He added that small and medium-sized trucks and SUVs were the sweet spot for pure EVs as they require lower-cost batteries and fit the use case for daily commuters.

I have to wonder if the above series hybrid might still be better for commercial. It's not that the general public can't handle it... but I'm dubious.

At any rate. I think this makes sense. Large vehicles and electrification... was never a great idea. Maybe over short haul runs. Good luck to them--to be fair, sometimes you have to run an idea to the end to find what does and doesn't work. And sometimes an idea is just ahead of its time, and works at a later date in time.
 
Diesel locomotives use that basic principle. In cars and truck battery regen makes all the difference. The engine stops often even in on the road driving on the flat. Ford is very experienced in hybrid and plug in hybrid vehicles.
 
IMO Toyota's approach was right all along, even though they were roundly criticized for it. Hybrids are the way forward for the foreseeable future.
The entire push to go all BEVs was/is almost entirely political/environmental and pushed by government regulations onto the auto manufacturers without proper consideration given to the laws of physics and the state of current technology.
 
In a related news report, I saw on TV today the big rig mfg's are abandoning the EV push. They were stating EV big rigs have a 200 mile range, and would require a 2 hr. recharge every 200 miles, and almost no big rig ready charging infrastructure exists. The diesel rigs can go at least 1000 miles and up to 2000 miles, supposedly.
 
I think what Edison is doing with series hybrid diesel electric semi trucks is brilliant. The diesel engines are apparently run at an efficient, constant RPM that causes them to run so clean they don't even need DPF or EGR, so they may be MORE RELIABLE and CHEAPER to repair long-term than regular diesel semis that have major, expensive issues with those emissions systems that leave them stranded often.

While apparently Edison's testing shows only a modest improvement in MPG at highway speeds, they noted an approx 70% improvement in fuel economy in stop and go traffic/city driving. And it doesn't require an absolutely massive battery pack so it has similar weight and payload to a regular truck.

I think for other larger/commercial vehicles that is all great, and serious investment and continuing research and development in that area is needed. Pure EV semis are neat, and will be ideal for some customers, like larger companies that have fixed, short routes and can afford to install massive charging infrastructure at their depots, but for typical over the road trucks I think something like what Edison is doing is going to win long term.

But, on the consumer side of things, for the average passenger car or family SUV, pure EV is fine. As we continue to improve charging infrastructure, and EVs get better and better, it's inevitable for them to become a larger percentage of vehicles on the road.

For those people that can't practically use a pure EV, whether it's because they drive huge miles every day, or can't charge at home (apartment buildings, etc), hybrid tech is mature, and you can get great MPG vehicles already, and there isn't often even a huge up-front cost increase anymore and/or hybrids are standard in some vehicles. Look at the 2025 Camry... you can't even get a non-hybrid model. Yes it's a $30K car but for that price you get a 50MPG vehicle. If you need a work truck, you can always check out the Ford Maverick Hybrid which is a similar price. And hybrids are no longer penalty boxes or compromises... car reviews all over the place and consumers alike are finding that the hybrid versions of vehicles are often BETTER to drive than their gas-only versions if available.

Really, ICE-only gas/diesel vehicles are going to be come rarer and rarer as hybrid and EV tech continues to improve. But, I don't think pure EV and absolutely no traditional fuel is happening any time soon. But you can't write off EVs as a whole, electrification is the future, just in various ways. BTW I think hydrogen is a joke. Super inefficient!
 
I think what Edison is doing with series hybrid diesel electric semi trucks is brilliant. The diesel engines are apparently run at an efficient, constant RPM that causes them to run so clean they don't even need DPF or EGR, so they may be MORE RELIABLE and CHEAPER to repair long-term than regular diesel semis that have major, expensive issues with those emissions systems that leave them stranded often.

While apparently Edison's testing shows only a modest improvement in MPG at highway speeds, they noted an approx 70% improvement in fuel economy in stop and go traffic/city driving. And it doesn't require an absolutely massive battery pack so it has similar weight and payload to a regular truck.

I think for other larger/commercial vehicles that is all great, and serious investment and continuing research and development in that area is needed. Pure EV semis are neat, and will be ideal for some customers, like larger companies that have fixed, short routes and can afford to install massive charging infrastructure at their depots, but for typical over the road trucks I think something like what Edison is doing is going to win long term.

But, on the consumer side of things, for the average passenger car or family SUV, pure EV is fine. As we continue to improve charging infrastructure, and EVs get better and better, it's inevitable for them to become a larger percentage of vehicles on the road.

For those people that can't practically use a pure EV, whether it's because they drive huge miles every day, or can't charge at home (apartment buildings, etc), hybrid tech is mature, and you can get great MPG vehicles already, and there isn't often even a huge up-front cost increase anymore and/or hybrids are standard in some vehicles. Look at the 2025 Camry... you can't even get a non-hybrid model. Yes it's a $30K car but for that price you get a 50MPG vehicle. If you need a work truck, you can always check out the Ford Maverick Hybrid which is a similar price. And hybrids are no longer penalty boxes or compromises... car reviews all over the place and consumers alike are finding that the hybrid versions of vehicles are often BETTER to drive than their gas-only versions if available.

Really, ICE-only gas/diesel vehicles are going to be come rarer and rarer as hybrid and EV tech continues to improve. But, I don't think pure EV and absolutely no traditional fuel is happening any time soon. But you can't write off EVs as a whole, electrification is the future, just in various ways. BTW I think hydrogen is a joke. Super inefficient!
All good points. The state of the art will naturally improve even without coercion or mandates from government. Forcing it to advance more quickly than the science and economic factors support will only harm the public. The migration to EVs will be a generations long transition.
 
But you can't write off EVs as a whole, electrification is the future,
^ I Agree, I’ve said all along that EV’s are the future, but not tomorrow! It will take decades before EV’s outnumber ICE vehicles! Toyota is making measured, practical and logical steps into the EV future and they seem to agree.
 
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^ I Agree, I’ve said all along that EV’s are the future, but not tomorrow! No matter how much tree huggers, fan boys and the guvment rant and scream, it will take decades before EV’s outnumber ICE vehicles! Toyota is making measured, practical and logical steps into the EV future and they seem to agree.
I don’t know why name calling is required to make your point.
 
^ I Agree, I’ve said all along that EV’s are the future, but not tomorrow! It will take decades before EV’s outnumber ICE vehicles! Toyota is making measured, practical and logical steps into the EV future and they seem to agree.

I don't think Toyota is leading anything, anymore. Like Tesla made EVs popular, Toyota made hybrids popular... and they still make great ones, but now Honda, Ford, and others make excellent hybrids too. And the BZ4X/Solterra/RZ is a joke. Uncompetitive range, awful charging performance... So nothing sets Toyota apart from the competition and in some cases the competition is doing better.

I think many people don't agree that electric vehicles (if we consider only pure battery EVs) are the future for every use case and for all size vehicles, but I think most people agree that electrified vehicles (including hybrids, plug-in hybrids, EREV (series hybrids) are the future.
 
So nothing sets Toyota apart from the competition
Yet. The Toyota/Panasonic battery collaboration in Liberty, N.C. is scheduled to open in a couple of months. 13.9 billion dollars invested and eventually expected to employ over 5,000 employees. Hundreds of employees have already been hired. Slow and easy gets the ship to port.
 
Diesel locomotives use that basic principle. In cars and truck battery regen makes all the difference. The engine stops often even in on the road driving on the flat. Ford is very experienced in hybrid and plug in hybrid vehicles.
Locomotives do not have a Lithium Ion battery though. The engine runs at constant power settings for the power setting that is chosen, and is dumping that power into the generator, then powers the traction motors. Locomotive engines never stop during the operation of the train. Nor will a standby locomotive have the engine shut down in cold winter weather, they are likely running for many weeks on end continuously.
 
Locomotives do not have a Lithium Ion battery though. The engine runs at constant power settings for the power setting that is chosen, and is dumping that power into the generator, then powers the traction motors. Locomotive engines never stop during the operation of the train. Nor will a standby locomotive have the engine shut down in cold winter weather, they are likely running for many weeks on end continuously.
I can confirm this. It’s probably the only downside of dynamic braking. It would be regenerative if there was a set of batteries to capture it.
 
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