Ford Says Electric F-150 Will Start Under $40,000. It Can Also Power Your Home

[PandaBear]

So many people that don't care about the African kids mining cobalt for the batteries of their fancy new truck.

I don't care about cobalt mining African kids, nor rare earth mining people in China, nor unemployed people in America, nor soldiers dying fighting for war of oil, nor the wild lifes and fishermen contaminated by oil spills, nor religious lunatics funded by energy producing nations.

I don't care about you either.

I only care about myself.

 

[PandaBear]

I have said a bazillion times, these cars are not for everyone.
Silicon Valley, and CA as a whole, is the test ground for new cars and ideas.
EVs, as mass produced cars, are in their infancy.

They used to say the same thing about Prius, they laugh at it. Then during one presidency all of a sudden we have Enron and $5 a gallon gas and $120/barrel oil and someone scamming our electric grid leading to rolling blackout. Then Uber started happening and people started using Prius for Taxi and delivery.

Then everyone stopped talking about Prius.

Sounds familiar?

 

[dareo]

So many people that don't care about the African kids mining cobalt for the batteries of their fancy new truck.

There is a big environmental cost in the logistics of creating an EV. We also have really great emissions controls on ICE vehicles now. I'm not sure what is actually worse for the environment but the EV is over hyped as being so green.

 

[Snagglefoot]

I don't care about cobalt mining African kids, nor rare earth mining people in China, nor unemployed people in America, nor soldiers dying fighting for war of oil, nor the wild lifes and fishermen contaminated by oil spills, nor religious lunatics funded by energy producing nations.

I don't care about you either.

I only care about myself.

Don’t you care about disabled Macros?

 

[PandaBear]

Don’t you care about disabled Macros?

Marco who?

 

[Rmay635703]

So many people that don't care about the African kids mining cobalt for the batteries of their fancy new truck.

Have you given up your smartphone so you don’t use foreign Cobalt?

For the last 20 years Chinese lithium (LIFEPO4) for domestic and US hobby use has never used cobalt.
All EV producers are working to reduce then completely phase out its use.


Currently the African kids are mainly mining for China to make your smartphone

Tesla’s Cobalt comes from domestic copper and mine tailing

There is a big environmental cost in the logistics of creating an EV. We also have really great emissions controls on ICE vehicles now. I'm not sure what is actually worse for the environment but the EV is over hyped as being so green.

If you think EVs have big environmental costs better not look at fossil fuel extraction and transportation

Heavy metal Pollution, groundwater contamination and spills are par for the coarse. Supply side makes 100’s of times more pollution per gallon of gas to your pump than your car makes burning it.

ALLIOS Canyon spill emitted more Pollution than the entire planet
man made +natural emits in a year all by itself.
It is predicted this single event will result in a 5-10 years of odd weather for everyone

And that was certainly not unique
5% of all hydrocarbons during extraction are spoiled or lost to the environment either by ending up not being extracted properly, outright spills or simply VOC.

Start going down the rabbit hole and you will understand there is no ideal solution
Only better.

 

[PandaBear]

There is a big environmental cost in the logistics of creating an EV. We also have really great emissions controls on ICE vehicles now. I'm not sure what is actually worse for the environment but the EV is over hyped as being so green.

This is something that needs to be quantified. I think our society as a whole isn't really doing a good job trying to quantify instead of just making blanket statement on what is good and what is not (not just emission but water usage during a drought as well, there is a massive debate between who deserves more water, almond or alfalfa).

A small ICE car producing higher concentration of emission per CO2 is still better than a larger ICE car producing lower concentration and emit more CO2.

Then you mix in EV, which battery capacity and content matters, and mpge, and your local sources, and where your car is sourcing the contents from, etc.

It is a mess, I wouldn't even try to compare.

 

[PandaBear]

Have you given up your smartphone so you don’t use foreign Cobalt?

For the last 20 years Chinese lithium (LIFEPO4) for domestic and US hobby use has never used cobalt.
All EV producers are working to reduce then completely phase out its use.


Currently the African kids are mainly mining for China to make your smartphone

Tesla’s Cobalt comes from domestic copper and mine tailing

It doesn't really matter, it is a world wide economy and people trade and buy from cheaper sources. Even during Soviet era there's black market.

 

[dareo]

This is something that needs to be quantified. I think our society as a whole isn't really doing a good job trying to quantify instead of just making blanket statement on what is good and what is not (not just emission but water usage during a drought as well, there is a massive debate between who deserves more water, almond or alfalfa).

A small ICE car producing higher concentration of emission per CO2 is still better than a larger ICE car producing lower concentration and emit more CO2.

Then you mix in EV, which battery capacity and content matters, and mpge, and your local sources, and where your car is sourcing the contents from, etc.

It is a mess, I wouldn't even try to compare.

More often than not, the people that do try to compare, they have an agenda. Creating the batteries is a ton of diesel emissions, mining, shipping, all that. Then in some areas the EV is fueled by coal power burns. Then you have the eventual battery replacement problem.

I have a 2007 3500 duramax powered cargo van for example. Its got 200k miles and is still in great condition. With my low mileage use it could last 20+ more years. Let's say it makes it to its 35th birthday without being crashed/stolen/rusted out. The capability of this vehicle, if it were to be an electric, would require an insane amount of battery and at least one replacement during its lifecycle. It has a pre DPF engine so its not great on tailpipe emissions but it can do 20 mpg highway. In a heavy van that is a great number. The fuel range is over 500 miles highway in any weather. Current battery tech could not replicate this at any price, not in a 1 ton van. ICE VS EV in the case of my cargo van the diesel wins.

My daily beater, the 2019 Golf Alltrack, would be an ideal EV candidate. I drive it short trips and a smaller pack would be fine. Tesla make me a Model 3 wagon with a guage cluster and real buttons please.

Even with the Golf being ideal for an EV, this Golf is still going to last me practically forever with the low miles i put on. Maybe 5k a year. Eventually an EV would age out in my case. I'm seeing people trying to dump old Leafs that only do 30 miles now for example.

 

[buster]

What choice will you have when all the major manufacturers only make EV's.....

 

[Barkleymut]

You want them but they don't want you.

How much do you spend when you are there and how much does it cost for them to install the charger for you and how much do they need to make from you to justify that?

There's a reason along I5 from NorCal to SoCal we have Harris Ranch (steak house) with super charger instead of McD. They can justify the network selling you a steak but not a happy meal.

I agree, but if SOME company that has hundreds of locations right off the highway had electric chargers, they could get hundreds of shoppers that they did not have before. And if EV's become vastly more popular, and they have become the common sense place to stop...well they have a goldmine. Especially in areas where electricity is cheap.

 

[demarpaint]

I'll pass, but I'm always interested in seeing what the early adopters have to say in six months to a year about the vehicle and any bugs that need to be worked out.

 

[Rmay635703]

It doesn't really matter, it is a world wide economy and people trade and buy from cheaper sources. Even during Soviet era there's black market.

My point is the majority of cobalt goes to phones and the phone makers have made no effort to reduce cobalt content

EVs on the other hand have already reduced cobalt content mainly due to cost pressures and there are already cobalt free EVs on the market.

A small ICE car producing higher concentration of emission per CO2 is still better than a larger ICE car producing lower concentration and emit more CO2.

It is a mess, I wouldn't even try to compare.

Agreed, and because pickup truckers are butthurt there are already states (like Virginia) that tax the crap out of small cars, the better your fuel economy the more taxes you pay.

Only goal here is to get them off the road making them cost more to operate than a large land barge

This despite the fact that in cities the best possible way to save resources like asphalt, parking, reduce congestion even fuel and pollution is small cars.

Perverse special interests at play here.

 

[PimTac]

ALLIOS Canyon spill emitted more Pollution than the entire planet
man made +natural emits in a year all by itself.
It is predicted this single event will result in a 5-10 years of odd weather for everyone

Even natural disasters produce unwanted effects for a long time. The 2011 Great Tohoku earthquake and resulting tsunami deposited a enormous amount of debris into the oceans. A lot of our plastic waste in the oceans came from that one single event. It is not being reported that way however.

The Boxing Day Tsunami of 2004 had a similar effect as well.

 

[JeffKeryk]

I'll pass, but I'm always interested in seeing what the early adopters have to say in six months to a year about the vehicle and any bugs that need to be worked out.

We bought the Mid Range Model 3 in December 2018.
While I like all the cars I own, especially the GS and Tundra, and the TSX has been stellar, the only car I would be right now is the Model 3.
I will buy another. I remember when you rented one; I believe you really enjoyed it.

 

[demarpaint]

We bought the Mid Range Model 3 in December 2018.
While I like all the cars I own, especially the GS and Tundra, and the TSX has been stellar, the only car I would be right now is the Model 3.
I will buy another. I remember when you rented one; I believe you really enjoyed it.

Renting and owning are two different things for me, especially when it comes to something like the first EV PU truck from Ford. I'll enjoy reading the early adopter's reports here and on other boards. Hopefully Ford has a winner.

 

[DwightFrye]

I suspect that given the enormous popularity of the Ford F-150, that Ford will sell a fairly large number of their new electric trucks.
I also suspect that they will fail to live up to their claims and have a lot of issues of substantial nature. Good luck to anyone who buys one. They sound nice on paper but I remain highly skeptical of the Big Three to produce revolutionary vehicles when they seem to have such a hard time with technology that should have been perfected decades ago.

 

[PandaBear]

From my past Ford experience (Escort, Taurus), Ford tends do do 90-95% of the work and then abandon the product with the last 5-10% of the problems unresolved, letting the customers holding the bag.

Will the F150 EV be a Prius? Probably not, but IMO it will likely be good enough to match F150 gas, and the rest of the truck, will just be Ford being Ford.

 

[buster]

Tough environment right now. Covid certainly threw everyone a curveball.

Poor Factory Quality Control

WTH.. I noticed my front isn’t evenly gapped from a photo of my putco grille I posted on here. This scares me about what I can’t see. Come on man, it’s American made in Detroit. Manufactured 04/2021 (last month).

www.ranger5g.com

 

[Saabist]

I don't really care about the alleged environmental benefits or detriments of electric versus gasoline. I do not plan to ever own an electric vehicle.

Electric F-150 for under $40,000? That's still several times as much as I've spent on every car put together over my entire driving life of over half a century. Let me know when I can buy a 15-20 year old electric vehicle for a couple of grand that is still functional, then we'll talk.