Fluoride number one cause of death?

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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Next you can explain how amalgam fillings are good for our health!

Actually I 'll jump in here. There is no "non-tinfoil hat study" that has found any problem with amalgon fillings that I am aware of. Kind of like comparing mercury with in a compound and sodium in a compond. Element..bad... compound, not so much.

And then we can jump to the mercury in baby shots causing autism (another discredited, lawyer driven fiasco)
 
Originally Posted By: MNgopher
And herein lies the problem. People grab onto any report that any one "pollutant" was found in a water sample and have no idea what that actually means.

For example, my local water supply had a report of coliform bacteria in a sample. The methodlogy used by the EWG would have you think its the end of the world and my water is unsafe. By law, the water supplier is required to report the positve result. The backstory is that further samples were taken, reanalyzed, and it was a sampling contamination issue.

Similar types of stories on reports of other "pollutants". Without the full context, one can significantly distort the safey level being provided.

On top of that, there are signifcant issues related to concentrations, length and number of exposures, etc... that are not discussed or identified, which have a significant bearing on what is harmful and what is not. None of that context is offered, just that a pollutant being found is bad.

All comes back to knowing what you know and admitting what you don't.


Very well said, MNgopher. I'm with you on this one.

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Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Next you can explain how amalgam fillings are good for our health!

Actually I 'll jump in here. There is no "non-tinfoil hat study" that has found any problem with amalgon fillings that I am aware of. Kind of like comparing mercury with in a compound and sodium in a compond. Element..bad... compound, not so much.

And then we can jump to the mercury in baby shots causing autism (another discredited, lawyer driven fiasco)



Now, now, we're not talking autism. When you want to discuss that my wife will take over as she is a certified and registered pediatric OT with tons of experience in that area.

just for fun here's 959 links to articles about amalgams. While some of them are indeed controversial, there may be a teeny tiny bit of evidence here.

You be the judge. You see, I will neither belittle nor try and change your opinions. Just presenting the tons of evidence out there.

http://search.mercola.com/search/Pages/results.aspx?k=amalgams
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
When you want to discuss that my wife will take over as she is a certified and registered pediatric OT with tons of experience in that area.

Well my Daughter before moving up, was a Level I Pediatric Charge Nurse Practitioner (Masters) so I can probably discuss it with her if I am interested..which I'm not.

And yea..that site will do little to change my mind as your mind will also not be changed.
 
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Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8



Flouride is simply industrial waste looking for a home. It was a brilliant move for the industry that creates it to figure out how to dump it and get paid.



That fact is undisputed.

"Fluoridation chemicals--often purchased from Mexico, China, and Japan--are hazardous waste by-products of the phosphate fertilizer industry that are contaminated with trace levels of arsenic, lead and radionuclides. These industrial-grade chemicals were never tested for safety in humans or animals, and never received approval from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration."

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-jer...ored-2012-02-11

Whether it's completely safe or not, it is in fact waste from fertilizer production.

If you want it in your water artificially and mandated by government, great. But it's of little help to people health wise.

"Since fluoride's benefits are topical, it makes no sense to swallow fluoride and makes even less sense to put fluoride into drinking water when fluoridated toothpaste is available to everyone," says Paul Connett, PhD, FAN Executive Director and co-author of the book, The Case Against Fluoride."

I'm very thankful that the water in the part of Colorado Springs where I live is not artificially fluoridated, and it's naturally low in fluoride. It's all snow melt water from around Breckenridge.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Buickman, while you obfuscate as good as anyone, I've watched your replies go from scientific to simple belittling. Disappointing but not unexpected.

Steve, you and Shannow never disappoint. You're both entirely too predictable in what notion you'll latch onto and run with.


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NO ONE here is changing their mind despite your outpouring of 'rationality'!

Oh of that I never had any doubt.

This wasn't an exercise in attempting to change the minds of you and Shannow. For that I would need to reveal the elaborate conspiracy in which the shadow governments are in cahoots with the shape shifting lizards to disperse chemtrails full of fluoride neutralizing compounds at the direction of the Roswell aliens who escaped their prison cells under the White House with the help of the Jesuits and finally decoded the text hidden within the Protocols of the Elders of Zion detailing that water fluoridation helps to keep the populace immune to the mind control rays of our true masters, the inhabitants of Hollow Earth.

MLK said it best:
Originally Posted By: MartinLutherKingJr
Nothing in the world is more dangerous than a sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity.


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Flouride is simply industrial waste looking for a home. It was a brilliant move for the industry that creates it to figure out how to dump it and get paid.

Do you see bogeymen dressed in monocles and top-hats lurking about every dark corner?

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Next you can explain how amalgam fillings are good for our health!

Wait what? Great now the Nazi's are transmitting mind control waves from inside my teeth!

I have been familiar with this alleged "controversy" for years and am also aware of how it started. I'd be more concerned with the amount of tuna I was consuming versus what might be released from my teeth.

Next up: Help, I've got asbestos, lead paint, and radon in my house and its killing me. No really I do on all three accounts. I need a consensus. Should I burn it to the ground and collect the insurance money or curl into the fetal position and mumble to myself?

Originally Posted By: Al

And then we can jump to the mercury in baby shots causing autism (another discredited, lawyer driven fiasco)

Hey now, them's fightin' words Al.

Jenny McCarthy said that it causes autism so it must be tr... what? Huh? Wakefield's study was proven to be a fraud?

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Just like you stated what apparently goes on in my mind regarding chlorination, which was entirely made up, but attributed to me anyway.


I never intimated or attributed anything about you holding a particular position on chlorine. I was being sincere when I asked if you thought it should be banned in municipal water supplies so as to clarify position. You made the claim later that you saying "safe" drinking water implied your support of chlorination. Do you by chance suffer from a persecution complex?

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Question was about mandatory medication in geneeral...and it's as relevent as a rant on dangers of bottled water.


A moral/ethical debate over mandatory medication was never the subject of the thread. It was on the safety of fluoridation. A factual explanation (which you classify as a rant) regarding possible contaminants in bottled water was for the purpose of demonstrating that it is not necessarily any more or less safe than the tap water it was being used to replace.

I simply refuse further your attempt to steer the discussion away from the factual and scientific into a moral and ethical discussion.

As I said several times, I hold no opinion one way or the other on fluoridation.
 
Obfuscation at it's finest. Usually you would at least throw out a few snippets to back up your assertions and alleged facts, but all I get are cheap insults.

I haven't called you stupid, but you do it to me. Thanks for revealing yourself. I would have thought you far more intelligent and sophisticated.

How is that going to convince me of anything? I'm kind of old for the whole verbal intimidation thing, and far too removed from people like yourself.

Man, not much left here for discussion. Hope you feel bigger now. I can't help you with those problems!
 
I for one follow the rest of the flock and do not question mercury in my vaccines, fluoride in my water or BT in my genetically modified food!
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Originally Posted By: buickman50401
A moral/ethical debate over mandatory medication was never the subject of the thread. It was on the safety of fluoridation.
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I simply refuse further your attempt to steer the discussion away from the factual and scientific into a moral and ethical discussion.

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Way to go at keeping on topic chief !!!
 
And imagining that you are making a good argument by belittling people. Totally destroyed his cred, and judging from my PM box more than a few agree.

IMO these are the people to be feared, as they imagine they really do have the right to make your choices for you.

Not for me.
 
Originally Posted By: TurboLuver
I for one follow the rest of the flock and do not question mercury in my vaccines, fluoride in my water or BT in my genetically modified food!
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Well if the gov or industry interest says something is completely safe then it must be true because they know everything and only have everyone's best interest in mind. To believe anything different would be tin-foil hatted
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Well, let's put it this way folks:

I wouldn't trust a country run by government that is elected by special interest groups, lobby groups representing major corporations, etc.

the fear within me sez that the said elected govt doesn't represent you nor your family's best interest, period.

(**personally, I'm glad that I don't live in such country at this very moment, and for that very reason at this moment I still have faith in my own govt...no matter how bureaucratic/inefficient it is**)


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For those concerned about fluoride, Tom's of Maine produces toothpaste that is fluoride free. One could also drink only distilled water instead of the municipal water or its derivatives like bottled water.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Because most products you eat and drink are made with tap water, just about everything you consume has fluoride in it. Soda pop, juice, beer, bread, canned foods etc. all have fluoride from fluoridated tap water. That's one reason why I think some people are getting over exposed to it.

http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm


You have a point there. I don't consume most stuff you have listed (except for the bread) but the mainstream public is probably overexposed.
 
I understand a couple of suburbs of Detroit, Michigan, have quite adding fluroide, but that it was for cost savings not because they thought it was poison. I think it is rather foolish to put fluoride into the water system just to help people have less tooth decay, especially when there are fluroide dental rinses available that will do the job much better.
 
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Because most products you eat and drink are made with tap water, just about everything you consume has fluoride in it. Soda pop, juice, beer, bread, canned foods etc. all have fluoride from fluoridated tap water. That's one reason why I think some people are getting over exposed to it.

http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm


I assumed soda pop and the bottled water from the purification process, and maybe beer is purefied of the flouride and chlorine?
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: Drew99GT
Because most products you eat and drink are made with tap water, just about everything you consume has fluoride in it. Soda pop, juice, beer, bread, canned foods etc. all have fluoride from fluoridated tap water. That's one reason why I think some people are getting over exposed to it.

http://www.fortcollinscwa.org/pages/fluoride.htm


I assumed soda pop and the bottled water from the purification process, and maybe beer is purefied of the flouride and chlorine?


You can't purify fluoride out of water; you have to use reverse osmosis filtration which, residentialy is fairly expensive, yet alone commercially.
 
But Dasani which is the water Coca Cola uses is RO and claims it's free of chlorine and I imagine flouride since the process removes even minerals. http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/citizenship/pdf/dasani_report.pdf

Anyway towards the end of that Coca Cola bottled water pdf, it kind of discredit and early poster saying bottled water is unregulated and that source water doesn't have various chemicals and contaminates that are removed by purification.
 
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