Fluoride number one cause of death?

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Originally Posted By: surfstar

It's called "White People Problems". You know you've got it tough when you can't trust the water coming out of your tap [that is required to meet EPA standards].

Yea..I would guess 90% of the world would put this problem at about #1000 on their list of "real" problems.
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: surfstar

It's called "White People Problems". You know you've got it tough when you can't trust the water coming out of your tap [that is required to meet EPA standards].

Yea..I would guess 90% of the world would put this problem at about #1000 on their list of "real" problems.
Don't you see how that's what they want you to think? The dociling agents are working!
 
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: spock1
Man!This subject has been the most entertaining and hilarious in quite a while.Thanks for making it so much fun.
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Exactly.

And for me nothing has changed. Municipal drinking water is safe...Nazi Mind controllers not withstanding.

Anyone that concerned that they have the time to complain and a computer to type on could in that amount of time go down to Lowes and buy a RO unit to install and save their family from the Water Nazis...end of story.


But to say municipal water is safe isn't completely certain. Municipal water is certainly not pure and free of contaminates and chemicals. Drinking some municipal water over many years may or may not cause illness or disease in some people, but the point is no one really knows. Besides a lot of city water is just plain bad tasting and not very thirst quenching. Don't you drink filtered water yourself? It might be more cost effective on a per person basis if the municipal water was made more pure than to RO filter but maybe not.
 
Originally Posted By: surfstar
Originally Posted By: Al
Originally Posted By: spock1
Man!This subject has been the most entertaining and hilarious in quite a while.Thanks for making it so much fun.
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Exactly.

And for me nothing has changed. Municipal drinking water is safe...Nazi Mind controllers not withstanding.

Anyone that concerned that they have the time to complain and a computer to type on could in that amount of time go down to Lowes and buy a RO unit to install and save their family from the Water Nazis...end of story.


It's called "White People Problems". You know you've got it tough when you can't trust the water coming out of your tap [that is required to meet EPA standards].


I find that slightly offense. "Non-white people's problems" can be just as whiny and baseless
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx

But to say municipal water is safe isn't completely certain. Municipal water is certainly not pure and free of contaminates and chemicals.

Nothing inlife is certain. If I were needing certainty in all "life-things"..I would probably go insane.
 
Nothing in life is certain except for death. Are municpal systems subject ot having issues? Yes, happens every year all over the country for various reasons. It still is not a valid reason to not trust it.

A comment about making city water even more pure being more cost effective is pure wishful thinking. Most people realize that the bulk of municpal water is NOT used for drinking water, right? It ends up being used for toilet flushing, baths and showers, washing dishes and clothes, as well as landscape irrigation. The purity level being suggested is way above and beyond the needs of those uses.
 
I'm not saying city water should have to be RO pure water but there seems to be a lot of room for improvement in many cities.

"Since 2004, testing by water utilities has found 315 pollutants in the tap water Americans drink, according to an Environmental Working Group (EWG) drinking water quality analysis of almost 20 million records obtained from state water officials.

More than half of the chemicals detected are not subject to health or safety regulations and can legally be present in any amount. The federal government does have health guidelines for others, but 49 of these contaminants have been found in one place or another at levels above those guidelines, polluting the tap water for 53.6 million Americans
http://www.ewg.org/tap-water/home"
 
buickman50401 said:
I was wondering when you'd comment on the subject.

I feel perfectly safe since I don't buy into scaremongering, half-truths and conspiracy theories.[buickman50401]

Yeah, you DO know it all, don't you? Congratulations. But it's only your pompous attitude that makes you feel so smug, not the real world conditions in the actual treatment centers today. Did you know your city is likely broke? Think about that for a minute.

I have a good friend who is actually involved in the Clearwater water system right here near me, and he can tell you stories that would curl your no doubt perfect hair. You go right ahead imagining what you think you know about those perfect Gov't rules and regs and how well they protect you.

There's people involved. And it's far from perfection.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


There's people involved. And it's far from perfection.











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I don't know what you are talking about
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And herein lies the problem. People grab onto any report that any one "pollutant" was found in a water sample and have no idea what that actually means.

For example, my local water supply had a report of coliform bacteria in a sample. The methodlogy used by the EWG would have you think its the end of the world and my water is unsafe. By law, the water supplier is required to report the positve result. The backstory is that further samples were taken, reanalyzed, and it was a sampling contamination issue.

Similar types of stories on reports of other "pollutants". Without the full context, one can significantly distort the safey level being provided.

On top of that, there are signifcant issues related to concentrations, length and number of exposures, etc... that are not discussed or identified, which have a significant bearing on what is harmful and what is not. None of that context is offered, just that a pollutant being found is bad.

All comes back to knowing what you know and admitting what you don't.
 
Originally Posted By: Shannow
Our local Govt entity had employees recieving I-Phones from chemical companies for using up to 1,000 times too much of something in water treatment.

That's why you include termination clauses that limit "gifts" or "considerations" that can be given to public employees. I'm not sure of the limit in my current city, but it is likely around $2.75 which is the limit most other municipalities go by. Anything beyond that is cause for termination. Basically, here's a doughnut and a keychain.

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And you failed to mention that what happens after that is skeletal fuorosis, which can occur with excess of 6mg per day intake (total...water, toothpaste, food, green and black tea)...above that increased risk of bone fractures in adults.

I didn’t fail to mention it. If you wanted to address it, you should have mentioned it in the first place. I addressed your vague tooth damage statement which without clarification makes people assume teeth rotting and falling out of their heads.
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they (ADA) obviously don't trivialise "a mild discolouring" of teeth

No one ever trivialized the cosmetic damage. It’s not trivial, but it does not fall into the same category of teeth falling out of one’s head.
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Can't argue your own points, so you make up something that I never said or implied ?

Hmmm…???
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To those in favour of fluoridation, hy not statins or ritalin in the water ?
So you are saying that you think prozac and statins should be ADDED to safe drinking water ?

That’s pretty clear that you’re linking fluoride to Prozac.
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Unless you are using the "prozac" (note, not the statins I also mentioned, and it could also have been loceryl or Tamoxifen)

Back peddle much? At no point in time did you mention loceryl or Tamoxifen till now.
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Do YOU believe in mandatory community medication pure and simple ?

It's the core of the debate, not the safety or otherwise of a medication that they DO add to the water.

No, the core of the debate was the safety/effects of fluoride. You decided to attempt to redirect the argument to a philosophical debate about the ethics mass involuntary medication. I specifically stated “
I don't hold an opinion one way or the other regarding of fluoridation of water.”

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although I'd prefer it done with Chlorine Dioxide.

BTW, I forgot to ask about this. Why, considering:

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Although chlorine dioxide is a relatively strong disinfectant, it is not frequently used as a distribution system disinfectant for two reasons: 1) its residual does not last as long as that of other disinfectants, and 2) it breaks down into chlorite (predominantly), a regulated DBP.

The USEPA recommends that chlorine dioxide use be limited to water suppliers with smaller distribution systems. To ensure a detectable residual at the fringes of the distribution system, a large distribution system may require a larger initial dose of chlorine dioxide than a smaller distribution system. The higher chlorine dioxide dose of the large system might lead to an exceedance of the chlorine MCL as the chlorine dioxide reacts producing chlorate and chlorite ions.


Its useful under specific circumstances but not a preferable method for all water sources.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8


There's people involved. And it's far from perfection.











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I don't know what you are talking about
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OMG! ROFLMAO! That was gooooood!
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
Yeah, you DO know it all, don't you? Congratulations. But it's only your pompous attitude that makes you feel so smug, not the real world conditions in the actual treatment centers today.


I've spent a lot of time in treatment centers... both drinking and wastewater both large and small since about age 8 or so. I've sat in the labs watching the tests being run and asking questions. Additionally I've toured a couple of facilities over in the Netherlands while on vacation to see the differences in their system versus the ones I'm familiar with.

About a month ago I spent 5 hours helping to re-plumb a small town's water plant to bring their old well back into service since the newer well's pump was shot.

It was a pain since we had to stick around for an extra hour and a half monitoring the water level in the well over the pump head to set the flow rate on the valve so as not to draw the water down too far and start sucking air. The high service pump's activation and shutoff levels for the detention tank and the water tower had to be changed as well since it the high service pump moved more water than the well was capable of safely producing. It became a balancing act to set the controls to fill the detention tank to 10ft, shut off the well pump, turn on the high service pumps to fill fill the tower while drawing the tank down to 2 feet. Wash rinse repeat.

We sent out a boil water notice since the old well had set unused for 2 years and didn't want to risk anything until bacterial samples came back clean.

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Did you know your city is likely broke? Think about that for a minute.

Not broke. Maintained a $3mil (IIRC) reserve fund which they had to borrow about $750k from between 2009 and 2010. They've since "repaid" themselves about $500k out of the total borrowed.

Care to try again?

Originally Posted By: MNgopher
And herein lies the problem. People grab onto any report that any one "pollutant" was found in a water sample and have no idea what that actually means.

For example, my local water supply had a report of coliform bacteria in a sample. The methodlogy used by the EWG would have you think its the end of the world and my water is unsafe. By law, the water supplier is required to report the positve result. The backstory is that further samples were taken, reanalyzed, and it was a sampling contamination issue.

Similar types of stories on reports of other "pollutants". Without the full context, one can significantly distort the safey level being provided.

On top of that, there are signifcant issues related to concentrations, length and number of exposures, etc... that are not discussed or identified, which have a significant bearing on what is harmful and what is not. None of that context is offered, just that a pollutant being found is bad.

All comes back to knowing what you know and admitting what you don't.

Shhhh! We must not let facts get in the way of misconstruing and sensationalism.

This is why I read the water quality reports carefully and pay attention to what actually happened (like in your example of the positive result for coliforms which as you said are required to be disclosed) rather than jumping on the chicken little bandwagon.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
people who blindly accept that their water is 'clean' due to the regulations imposed by the government are just as gullible as anyone wearing a tinfoil hat.


Woah, woah, woah, now. The businessentities and corporatepeople who need to get rid of their poisonwaste paid fair and square for those regulations and the studies that support them. It's capitalistscience!
 
Buickman!You have fought the good fight,your replies sound learned,even academic at times,but are doomed to fail.
What you are basically doing is putting lipstick on a pig.
Bitogers are too well educated and smart to fall for your
syrupy arguments.
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Whatever else is being discussed the BOTTOM LINE is there is
NO, absolutely NO GOOD reason to be putting MORE of ANY substance containing ANY compound containing fluoride in ANY drinking water, DELIBERATELY. NONE.
 
Originally Posted By: buickman50401

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To those in favour of fluoridation, hy not statins or ritalin in the water ?
So you are saying that you think prozac and statins should be ADDED to safe drinking water ?

That’s pretty clear that you’re linking fluoride to Prozac.
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Unless you are using the "prozac" (note, not the statins I also mentioned, and it could also have been loceryl or Tamoxifen)

Back peddle much? At no point in time did you mention loceryl or Tamoxifen till now.


Honestly, I didn't know that fluoride was in prozac, until your rant...I was going to type Ritalin in my post initially, but fingers typed Prozac.

Your ASSumption as to what I meant versus actually typed is shot down by the fact that (I hope) statins don't have fluoride. Just like you stated what apparently goes on in my mind regarding chlorination, which was entirely made up, but attributed to me anyway.

Originally Posted By: buickman50401
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Do YOU believe in mandatory community medication pure and simple ?

It's the core of the debate, not the safety or otherwise of a medication that they DO add to the water.

No, the core of the debate was the safety/effects of fluoride. You decided to attempt to redirect the argument to a philosophical debate about the ethics mass involuntary medication. I specifically stated “
I don't hold an opinion one way or the other regarding of fluoridation of water.”


Question was about mandatory medication in geneeral...and it's as relevent as a rant on dangers of bottled water.

[strawman]Or do you think that the taxpayer should be looking after other areas of public health, and taking away personal responsibility from the individual at the taxpayer's expense ?[/strawman]
 
Originally Posted By: antiqueshell
Whatever else is being discussed the BOTTOM LINE is there is
NO, absolutely NO GOOD reason to be putting MORE of ANY substance containing ANY compound containing fluoride in ANY drinking water, DELIBERATELY. NONE.


what he said
 
Originally Posted By: uc50ic4more
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
people who blindly accept that their water is 'clean' due to the regulations imposed by the government are just as gullible as anyone wearing a tinfoil hat.


Woah, woah, woah, now. The businessentities and corporatepeople who need to get rid of their poisonwaste paid fair and square for those regulations and the studies that support them. It's capitalistscience!


Yep. Good one, as in our system you simply buy a congressman and get whatever legislation you want passed!

Buickman, while you obfuscate as good as anyone, I've watched your replies go from scientific to simple belittling. Disappointing but not unexpected. NO ONE here is changing their mind despite your outpouring of 'rationality'!

Flouride is simply industrial waste looking for a home. It was a brilliant move for the industry that creates it to figure out how to dump it and get paid.

Next you can explain how amalgam fillings are good for our health!
 
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