Fluoride number one cause of death?

[buickman50401]

Regarding tooth damage, dental fluorosis is cosmetic. Though the severe cases are pretty ugly looking. If you are age 8 or older you're safe. Dental fluorosis occurs during the formation of the permanent teeth - prior to eruption from the gums.

I don't hold an opinion one way or the other regarding of fluoridation of water. I would like to mention that fluoride does occur naturally in municipal water supplies depending. The geographic location and choice of sources will determine the ppm or ppb.

How about chlorination? What's you're take on that? Should we ban it as well?

 

[daves87rs]

Simple load of bird droppings....

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: buickman50401
Originally Posted By: Shannow
I saw one of those in Ca. when we were there, and think it's a great idea...no such thing in this area.

We drink bottled, and cook with tap.

Personally, drinking water should be made safe to drink, and not part of Govt mandated mass medication.


Regarding tooth damage, dental fluorosis is cosmetic. Though the severe cases are pretty ugly looking. If you are age 8 or older you're safe. Dental fluorosis occurs during the formation of the permanent teeth - prior to eruption from the gums.

I don't hold an opinion one way or the other regarding of fluoridation of water. I would like to mention that fluoride does occur naturally in municipal water supplies depending. The geographic location and choice of sources will determine the ppm or ppb.

How about chlorination? What's you're take on that? Should we ban it as well?


You obviously have reading and comprehension issues...before you go (again, for the umpteenth time) putting words in my mouth, re-read my post..."making water safe to drink" involves chlorination, although I'd prefer it done with Chlorine Dioxide.

So you are saying that you think prozac and statins should be ADDED to safe drinking water ?

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: Al

Lets say polio vaccine is harmless, but personally dont like the idea of adding it to my body, to which I see no benefit and is controversial so, it is not good idea.


I tried that very thing back in the 1950's when the Saulk vaccine came out, it didn't work out to well to say the least.

 

[spock1]

Originally Posted By: daves87rs
Simple load of bird droppings....


Fluoridation has obviously affected those that are for fluoridation.

 

[buickman50401]

Originally Posted By: Shannow

So you are saying that you think prozac and statins should be ADDED to safe drinking water ?

Well folks we've officially jumped the shark.

I will again mention that flouride occurs naturally in most water supplies at levels both lower or highe.....

You know what? Forget it. Dicussions that you are involved with are like listening to a broken record. If there is a conspiracy theory tied to something, you believe it. If there are dubious positive health benefits to some magic herb despite a lack of scientific evidence, you're on it like white on rice. For the most part I do have to admit you're remarkably consistent on with the pseudo science, half truths, and associated quackery you believe.

I am thoroughly convinced your house is lined with lead and tinfoil.

 

[Shannow]

You are the one who always comes out with "so I assume that you also believe..."....you stated exactly that with "my" stance on Chlorine, which was clearly covered by my "safe" water statement...there are things that are necessary to make it safe to drink (then send it down the asbestos pipes which are attacked by fluorsylic acids BTW)

I know that fluoride occurs naturally. I also know that te natural background level in the district is 0.7ppm, exactly what the ADA and CDC state are "optimum". I also know that my local council has been pressured to install a plant to add another 1.4ppm.

I also know that arsenic is naturally occurring in drinking water, and that trace levels are important to human physiology...I don't see them "topping up" arsenic levels.

If you advocate and support mass medication (which fluoride ADDITION clearly is), then what's the limit to what's added ?

Where do YOU draw the line ?

 

[Cutehumor]

I hope the drinking water is safe with Fluoride. My 3 month old daughter drinks formula made with tap water.

 

[demarpaint]

How about this for the conspiracy theorists? Think of all the people who were born in the 50's and 60's that died at early ages from cancer. I know a lot of them, and heard and read that vaccinations they got as children might have been a cause for some of the cancers responsible for their deaths. Food for thought.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
I hope the drinking water is safe with Fluoride. My 3 month old daughter drinks formula made with tap water.


Quote from the Conspiracy theorists from the lead and tin foil lined American Dental Association...who seem to be infiltrated by the breast feeding Nazis that we hear about so often downunder.

Quote:
If fluorosis occurs when teeth are developing, is it okay to use fluoridated water to reconstitute infant formula?

Yes, it is safe to use fluoridated water to mix infant formula. If your baby is primarily fed infant formula, using fluoridated water might increase the chance for mild enamel fluorosis, but enamel fluorosis does not affect the health of your child or the health of your child’s teeth. Parents and caregivers are encouraged to talk to their dentists about what’s best for their child.

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What can I do to decrease the chances that my child’s teeth will develop fluorosis?

You can breast feed. Breast milk is very low in fluoride. Nursing mothers or pregnant women who drink fluoridated water do not pass on significant amounts of fluoride to their child.
You can use ready-to-feed formula.
You can use powdered or liquid concentrate formula mixed with water that either is fluoride-free or has low concentrations of fluoride


http://www.ada.org/4052.aspx#reconstitute

And the crackpots at the CDC

http://www.cdc.gov/fluoridation/safety/infant_formula.htm

 

[friendly_jacek]

Originally Posted By: MrHorspwer
I have to ask: Did you read the study referred to in the article? Did you even read the abstract?

The study associates vascular calcification and coronary artery disease with floride uptake in patients who have had whole-body sodium fluoride PET/CT studies.

This study is NOT creating a link between sodium floride consumption and coronary artery disease.

Quite the contrary. It is suggesting that sodium floride may be useful as an identifier of coronary artery disease, as flouride uptake is greater in those paitents that have calcification.

Reading for yourself: It's better than sensationalist headlines by organizations with an agenda.


I guess there are only 2 of us who actually read that abstract. The study also mentioned the well know fact that atherosclerosis plaques are made of calcium.

So, are BITOGers going to say that calcium in diet is killing us too?

 

[mormit]

So do you guys brush with non-fluoride toothpaste?

If it's a concern for you, a home RO system can be had for under 200 bucks and you have better assurance of the quality of the water than with bottled. Put your RO water in a non-reactive SS316 bottle to take on the go so you don't have to pay over and over again for bottled water. Bottled water is the biggest rip off under the sun. P.T. Barnum's Egress had nothing on paying for unregulated water in leechable plastic bottles for insane mark up prices. Many bottled water suppliers have been busted using tap water. Call me fluoridated, but I would be more concerned about bisphenol from plastic bottles.

The site linked in the original post says that Jack the Ripper was Winston Churchill's father....who knew?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: jcwit
Originally Posted By: Al

Lets say polio vaccine is harmless, but personally dont like the idea of adding it to my body, to which I see no benefit and is controversial so, it is not good idea.


I tried that very thing back in the 1950's when the Saulk vaccine came out, it didn't work out to well to say the least.


I'm not making light of your experience, as it can be horrible, but most of the Polio cases these days are due to people coming in contact with the livened up vaccine strains that occur after immunisation...eg parents changeing nappies etc.

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: mormit
So do you guys brush with non-fluoride toothpaste?


Yep...

My children brush with childrens toothpaste, which has fluoride, but at the reduced rate recommended by the dental associations, (reduced rate, and reduced tube size helps from injuring them if they eat a tube of it)...they drink mostly bottled water, so we know that they are getting some, and how much.

Better half uses children's toothpaste.

I use fluoride free, as I drink a lot of tea, which contains fluoride, and boil he kettle with tap water, which has 0.7ppm naturally occuring anyway.

 

[Al]

Originally Posted By: mormit


If it's a concern for you, a home RO system can be had for under 200 bucks and you have better assurance of the quality of the water than with bottled. Put your RO water in a non-reactive SS316 bottle to take on the go so you don't have to pay over and over again for bottled water.

Bottled water is the biggest rip off under the sun. P.T. Barnum


Pretty much.

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[Shannow]

Why should it even have to be a concern for anybody, when it doesn't have to be added to water in the first place ?

We got to the top of the food chain with the naturally occurring abundance of it.

 

[Mamala Bay]

Originally Posted By: Shannow
Why should it even have to be a concern for anybody, when it doesn't have to be added to water in the first place ?

We got to the top of the food chain with the naturally occurring abundance of it.


http://www.slweb.org/chemicals.html

After WW2 to boost agriculture the use of man made fertilizer to feed the world was used. If you study the soil it balance itself out in untouch nature. What you eat from the soil goes into your body. Man himself upsets this balance.

 

[SteveSRT8]

It's pretty hard to imagine that an industrial waste product that is highly toxic should be ADDED to our water.

Great, statistics are predicting a very low incidence of adverse effects. Unfortunately that won't be any consolation if you are one of the affected!

You don't need a Phd to know this may not be a good thing. Our government is fond of stating stats that predict 1 in 10000 or so deaths due to exposure is ok. Not to me.

Leave my water alone. I'll filter it to my liking.

 

[spock1]

Originally Posted By: mormit
So do you guys brush with non-fluoride toothpaste?

If it's a concern for you, a home RO system can be had for under 200 bucks and you have better assurance of the quality of the water than with bottled. Put your RO water in a non-reactive SS316 bottle to take on the go so you don't have to pay over and over again for bottled water. Bottled water is the biggest rip off under the sun. P.T. Barnum's Egress had nothing on paying for unregulated water in leechable plastic bottles for insane mark up prices. Many bottled water suppliers have been busted using tap water. Call me fluoridated, but I would be more concerned about bisphenol from plastic bottles.

The site linked in the original post says that Jack the Ripper was Winston Churchill's father....who knew?


Jack the Ripper was Winston Churchill's father?
Doesn't this sound like the typical Strawman of Guilt by Association.

 

[jcwit]

Originally Posted By: demarpaint
How about this for the conspiracy theorists? Think of all the people who were born in the 50's and 60's that died at early ages from cancer. I know a lot of them, and heard and read that vaccinations they got as children might have been a cause for some of the cancers responsible for their deaths. Food for thought.


Or more than likely above ground nuclear tests, I remember being warned at school not to eat the snow because of fallout. We also had elevated levels of radiation "Strontium 90 IIRC" in the milk.